She has a name, and it is Ms. Afhkami. See, we refer to people by their names, as I would refer to you as “JarMan” and not, “poorly insensitive racist” or “that KKK dude”
Indo-euro, Indian, middle Eastern, etc. people should be addressed as such, with their cultures and religions respected because in case you might not realize, they are humans just like you
🙂
I’m not the kind to get offended easily. I definitely have been making fun of pc culture ever since I was a kid. That “joke” left me very confused, until I read the comments and realized what “Isis” was supposed to mean. Dude, if you’re going to refer to it, please remember to capitalize the whole word. I seriously was trying to figure out what teacher was named after an Egyptian goddess.
Once I did understand it, all I can think is… that was just a bad joke.
There are some things that aren’t funny to talk about in general conversation. I’m a vet too, and even I won’t joke about something like that. There’s a great deal of Islamaphobia due to the actions of Daesh/ISIS right now. Calling the one primary supporting character “the Isis teacher” is not going to be met with positive responses in a group that’s been pretty supportive of Dave bringing in a character who is a Muslim in a positive role in Selkie’s life. The posts of others before me is the response of a politically correct, globally minded, non-discriminatory mind set.
Shut your racist mouth and face that you made a disgusting “joke” that’s being said about REAL people you horrible nasty racist. It isn’t “PC CULTURE” it’s being a decent human being. Of which you’re neither.
You:*make a racist joke*
Everyone: Dude that’s wrong.
You: Uggh. PC culture is so thick here. I should be allowed to make insensitive racist jokes whenever I please.
Jokes are jokes, no matter the subject. Being able to joke, even about controversial subjects is a value that deserves protection.
What isn’t acceptable is people doing the joke not because they think it’s funny – but because they think it’s true. Usually you tell the difference by tone of speaking and body language – kind of difficult to do on the internet, which means everybody’s entitled to the benefit of doubt about that.
Of course, you may object jokes are still harmful even if jokes because there are people who take them seriously even if they weren’t meant to be, propagating racism/xenophobia/whathaveyou. Well, that fault lies within the reader.
My two cents: you can make a racist joke without being racist. Just as an actor can scream “I AM LOKI, OF ASGARD” without being blasphemous.
(coincidentally, causing giggle outbreaks within the female audience.)
And before someone kills me, I wrote “female audience” because that particular actor is famous for those outbreaks, to my knowledge. Actually seen a video.
I’m quite sure male population would have similar reactions in similar situations.
Quite sure you’d have replied, was actually hoping for a good discussion. I’d ask you to tone down your rage though. I understand it’s your style, been reading you for quite a while, but it only manages to befuddle the arguments (even meaningful ones) you could make. Plus insults, insults are bad.
I’d like to know why I’m completely wrong. Honest. Why can’t someone make a joke on race without being racist? I’ve already explained why I think it’s not so. It’s all about intent: a joke is a joke when you do it without seriousness behind it. You, on the other hand, just told me “You CANNOT make a racist joke without being racist (insult redacted).” Why is that so? Rather, why do you think it’s so? If your reason makes sense, know that I’ll completely change my views and ask for forgiveness. It’s just how I discuss: express views, get opinions, value opinions, change or retain views as warranted. Think it’s quite rational.
As for the Loki comment, I specified immediately, anticipating your reaction, I believe male audiences in similar situations would behave exactly the same. How is that sexist?
Gee you’re perpetuating a stereotype about another race,it isn’t funny and quite frankly JarMan wasn’t making a joke. He was being racist. And also,calling you a racist apologist isn’t an insult when you’re being one. You were being one. Which is WRONG very WRONG.
And making a joke about women is indeed sexist when you went out of your way to say it. But whatever. Backpedal some more.
Yeah, gotta agree with Dellis here. I am super 100% not a racist in any capacity; some of my best friends are Latino and black. There’s Luis, with whom I play board games with every week; John, my neighbor across the street, and the NICEST man you will ever meet; Kennedy, a first-generation American whose parents are from Kenya, who I was in theatre with in high school. Rogelio and Julius, two of my former co-workers. Andre, another friend from high school. Some of my favorite stand-up comedians are Russel Peters and Kumail Nanjiani.
That being said, I definitely think that, given proper circumstances and context, jokes can definitely be made that poke fun at ethnic stereotypes without irrevocably branding the speaker a racist, or a “racist apologist.”
Another of my friends, with whom I play Pathfinder, is named Dave. He refuses to answer to anything but his full nickname, “Big Nigga Dave,” and I call him that without reservation. When I went to Colorado, I got him a mug with a “Bigfoot Crossing” sign on it, and he thought it was hilarious. Do I hate black people because of this, and not know it?
If you can honestly say yes, that you think you know me better than I do, then I don’t know what to say. Maybe YOU’RE the one making snap decisions of people’s character. Things have subtleties and nuances, you know. It’s all about intent.
As it seems I’m not the only one who thinks jokes are just jokes, no matter the subject, if you mean to joke and not maintain that a race is better than another.
I can’t speak for what Jarman meant to do since I do not know him, neither do you, shouldn’t we give him the benefit of doubt? Granted, he did go over the line after the commenter’s initial reaction, but I suspect part of it if not all is due to being attacked in a quite rude way.
Consider this: I honestly believe you want to make a better world with your behaviour. You attack those you perceive as “bad humans” to shame them into a better belief system, one which makes the world a better place, with no suffering. That’s commendable.
Now, let’s take JarMan, for instance. Did attacking him make him reconsider his beliefs? In fact, it appears it just pushed him the wrong way, to be more racist, judging from his subsequent responses.
That’s because HE’S PART of the world you want less suffering in. He’s a real human, flesh and blood, he loves, suffers and grieves like you do. His granny, every morning, cooks him a cherry cake. He loves to read and hates dominoes.
Every time, in the urge to make the world a better place, you forget he’s human, you’re actually hurting part of the world itself. You become exactly what you hate. And I believe you do not want that. It’s an horrible, cruel trap, yet it is.
Wouldn’t it be better to tell him where you think he’s wrong and why, without shaming him? I’m sure you’ve been wrong at least sometime in your life. You recognized you were, and changed. Can’t he do the same? Why hate someone if he’s wrong?
Wouldn’t it be better to explain?
The world is full of second chances, though. You have one before you. I told you why I think jokes can be just jokes. Same as an actor can say he’s a god in a film without being blasphemous: he doesn’t mean it, not really.
As for the joke about Loki and giggles: as I said, the same for males. Sexism is thinking one sex is better than the other. It’s about making differences which are not there. If I say both genders behave exactly the same in similar situations, how is that sexist? And I assure you, no backpedaling. I wrote that addendum before you objected, as message order proves. Just occurred to me that things I usually leave unspecified when with friends who know me might need specifying in this context. My bad.
Do not, though, for an instant, think an insult is not an insult if true. What makes an insult, again, is intent. If I did make that comment about Loki only about women, it would have been an insult. You would have been justly outraged.
But there actually is a video in which women giggle uncontrollably at him saying that line. I can provide links. It’s true, the comment is true. And yet, without the subsequent specification, it would have been an insult. You’d have been outraged, would you not?
Insults are still insults even if true.
(coincidentally, i beg you not to insult McBehrer. Thar slur, as he said, is actually what his friend wants to be called like. It’s their joke, and they find it funny. Why should you tell them not to say that?)
Ah, my bad, I forgot to adress one of your points.
You maintain that making that jokes perpetuates stereotypes about races.
That may be, in fact, for some instances, true. But if I mean it to be a joke, and some other man or woman instead takes it as truth, the fault is not in the one who makes a joke – which is just a joke – but in the ones who take it as truth, is it not? They should be told to not take everything at face value, and that taking that joke as truth is quite racist – but that shouldn’t mean I need to stop making that joke. Just get better audiences, or explain before it’s just a joke.
It’s quite like victim blaming. Someone kills me (in metaphor, someone takes the joke as truth) because i go in a dark street (tell a joke). The one at fault is the murderer (the one that takes the joke as truth) and not the one who goes in a dark street (me telling a joke).
And no. Just no. Stop trying to justify your grossness you troll. It’s not okay and will NEVER be okay. It still perpetuates stereotypes. You’re gross and in the wrong.
“It’s just a joke! One that perpetuates gross things about you! Let me make it!” That’s you. That’s what you sound like.
Ah right now he’s just having fun ticking you off LadyObvious. I just marked the joke as unoriginal and boring. Much like every attempt JarMan has made at humor. I say come back with us over at the cool kids table. We got lemonade and Playstation. Or at least I do. I don’t know about the others.
That’s funny, dude, considering you and everyone else on the internet is fictional as far as I’m concerned. You’re just words on a screen. You’re not real at all. So, by your rules, I don’t need to care about you or your sensibilities.
So you should be perfectly okay with the fact that you’ve caused us to declare you a monster. Interestingly enough, you don’t seem to be. So maybe you should examine your belief structure just a tiny bit, hmm?
Not that it matters, really. You’re just words. You’re not real. And who cares about imaginary people? Not me, man. Not me.
Here’s the thing about jokes: usually, they’re funny. This isn’t. Hell it’s not even a “joke”, it’s just a lazy attempt at being edgy by invoking sensitive and offensive subject matter capriciously.
What I could not figure out, Dave, is if he typed in “-Edited by Dave” or was that an edit you did? Is that your art he changed? I was confused but decided to ignore it cuz, y’know, trolling.
Cry a river Dave. I mean I expected you to be a lil bitch about it since the comic is presented as one of the most unrealistic representations of life.
It’s pretty funny such a minor, insignificant thing can be blown so horribly out of perportation. I can’t believe it needs to be said, but making a racist joke doesn’t make you a racist, making a rape joke does not mean you support rape and making dead baby jokes does not mean you are a baby killer.
The last season of South Park perfectly portrayed you people. Up in arms, crying about a fictional sand nigger.
There’s two kinds of race jokes. Ones that function as social commentary, pointing out flaws and misconceptions in society, and ones that just perpetuate toxic ideologies without any real point or purpose except to offend for offensiveness sake. Yours is the second, it serves no purpose except to try and offend people just for the hell of it. Frankly, you comparing your “humor” to South Park’s critical commentary is laughably pompous.
I know and you’re very patient with a lot of this kind of stuff. Mostly mine. I don’t know how you keep your temper sometimes. But you do it very well.
Very, *very* few people can successfully use over-the-top racism as humor. Unless you genuinely think you can be as funny as, say, Mel Brooks, don’t even try. Even Trey Parker and Matt Stone have had a few clangers, and they’re some of the few who can do it successfully.
I’m just trying to figure out where the joke was. You said Isis Teacher. That’s the joke? It’s just two words. A joke requires more set up than that. It requires any setup and you didn’t do anything. Hell the old non-joke “What’s really funny? Feminism!” has more of a setup and where a punchline would be there is one.
I’ve made my share of ISIS jokes, hell, we should make fun of ISIS, it’s a POS organization that exists on fear. The best weapon against them is mockery, and carpet bombing, but that’s a subject for a later date.
Will you hurt her feelings insulting her? No, not at all. She isn’t real. But it’s a hot button issue and I think you’ll find that people don’t like their beloved characters that they enjoy getting compared to that horror show.
But hey, I’m feeding a troll. Because that’s all you are. A guy that has come in and said nothing but inflamatory and controversial things for the sake of being controversial. Frankly, you’re played out my dear, trite, and cliche. But I can’t wait till the next episode of Jarman where you make fun of me for being a pussy for pointing out that you’re dull and boring.
Guys. JarMan’s just gonna be mean no matter what we say. Web pages that permit anonymity are MAGNETS for those folks. Just ignore them. You can’t make them stop, but they can’t make you respond. Which is what they really want, I say!
Yes, JarMan. PC culture, otherwise known as common decency, or having good manners, or being respectful of others. What’s the opposite of that? There’s nothing brave about being a jerk.
As for your specific “joke” – it received the response it did because, right now, suggesting a Moslem woman is somehow a terrorist is a giveaway sign of a particularly toxic American sub-culture. There isn’t a name for it that you won’t think is insulting. It existed long before Trump rose to prominence, but in his primary run, he made some people think that it’s now okay to say hateful things.
No, JarMan, it isn’t. That you could have thought for even one second that the word qualified as humor says far too much about the people you’ve been hanging out with in real life — none of it good.
The funny thing is that I scoff when someone tries to make me be PC. I am about as backwards and stuck in my ways as can be and I grew up in the cold war. The butt end of it sure, but I still had all that stuff drilled into my head. I am a relic and proud of it.
But when he called her an ISIS member, I just thought of her hitting him with a sock filled with a shoe over and over in the head going “Bad, bad, bad! Wrong, wrong, wrong!” Sometimes the relic can get along with the new I guess. Or maybe it’s some residue from getting my tooth extracted ten minutes ago.
Tony Stark pouring a fruit juice behind the bar; “Not a funny joke.”
There is nothing about that character that you lead you to tie her into ISIS other than her religion. Keep in mind that ISIS is brutalizing Muslims who don’t toe the line and, as a teacher, she would certainly draw their ire.
So, on several levels, the “joke” just wasn’t funny or pertinent.
It’s definitely possible! Difficult (and can be expensive – can take hours to do with a skilled stylist, though you can do it at home if you don’t mind it not looking as polished).
Usually you start by dying the entire head of hair the base color, and then blocking it off in strips to dye the ‘weave’ whichever other color(s). So a Royal Stewart tartan, you might be able to pull off by first bleaching the entire head of hair; you’d then either tape off or use a gelatin coat to keep the white/light yellow thin sections that color and dye the rest the Stewart red. Then more or less keep going with that method to add the black in whichever strengths appropriate to get your finished result!
(Disclaimer: I have never dyed my hair plaid. I have a friend, however, who is a stylist and has done much crazier stuff than that.)
Soon as winter break hits- silver streaks like lightning in Selkie’s hair to match her mad-scientist alternate persona. Wonder what the Sarnathoi use for cosmetics and such. Nearly every culture on in history has used appearance altering/improving methods, so I can’t imagine the Sarnathoi wouldn’t do the same. I say waiting for winter break because I don’t think the school’s dress code allows for unnatural colors (though I could be wrong in this).
I would really thin the bleach needed to truly die selfies hair would be horrible for her lungs and gills. Fumes and such, plus if any touched her skin.
I think in a well ventilated room, starting with a gentle color remover and working it by stages lighter would be best. Lets you test a given product on her at partial strength then work to a lighter color until you can dye it to the color you want. Or at least that’s what I’d do after checking with the doctor. And I’d still do the skin-patch test, that way if it does cause a reaction, its one tiny area.
wearing… yeah, but actually using the chemicals on your hair with associated skin contact… MAJOR difference there, heck with even normal people they can build up enough sensitivity to the stuff they use over time so they can’t use it anymore, one example i recently heard of is the actress that plays Abby on NCIS actually got hospitalized because of the black hair dye… so I’d be especially leery about an entirely different species reactions to “ordinary” stuff like that…
Yeah, that’s the first thing that popped into my head too. Then again, I’m surprised it doesn’t happen a bit more often, because clearly Sarnoothi has the same pluralization conventions as Scandinavian tongues.
Panel 4 made me think of Sailor Moon, when Serena meets Rini. To recap, Serena says something about Rini’s stealing her hairstyle, and Rini responding it was her mother’s hairstyle. Don’t know if that was the reference, but it was the first thing that came to my mind!
Since she is not human, using human physiology as a guide is dumb. MY nails grow all the time. My TEETH, however, grow so far and they don’t grow any more.
Would be a shame if her finger and toe claws also only grew so far and stopped, and for the sake of vanity they declawed her.
I believe a talk with Dr. Bunnyears or Agent Orange would be a wise idea.
I don’t know of any animals whose claws don’t grow.
That said, I’ve come to expect claws to have an internal blood supply, which means if the manicurist cuts Selkie’s claws like fingernails, everyone is going to have a bad time.
I think Rainbow Hair would look great on both Selkie and Amanda. I would check with the school’s policy first; I don’t know if dyeing their hair is permitted or not. I know in some schools students cannot dye their hair, but I don’t know what the policies on hair dyeing in the US would be.
Oh, Selkie. Consider it flattery, dear. It would be so cute if they both had rainbow hair. Then they’d really look like sisters. The “stop copying me” thing is pretty much a universal sibling saying. 😀
Selkie would obviously use water colors on her hair….
Had a friend Amy who dyed her hair so dark purple you could only tell it wasn’t black when the light reflected off it. She would turn her head and a purple shimmer would be seen. She had nice long straight hair down to her shoulder blades.
She kind of is. Andi doesn’t have rainbow hair. Two colors a rainbow doesn’t make.
But the sudden realisation that you can have multicoloured hair naturally leads to wanting rainbow hair.
At least, I assume it does.
Well she’s done every color as a highlight. So technically rainbow. But I think Amanda’s saying she’s copying her by doing weird colors? :3
I just realized. Does anyone at school realize they are sisters yet?
Besides the Isis teacher.
-Edit by Dave-
Hey look I can be edgy too. Much hardcore, such badass.
… Dude, *what* ?
Racist say what?
I don’t know if you’re trying to come across as an insensitive racist xenophobe JarMan, but either way you’re succeeding. Braaaavo *sarcastic clap*
Holy shit. Uh, is there any moderation in this comment section? *looks around*
Not really, we have to wait for Dave to notice
Noticed and dealt with in my new favourite way.
JarMan, that is incredibly fewking low.
You should be ashamed of yourself.
Do racists feel shame?
She has a name, and it is Ms. Afhkami. See, we refer to people by their names, as I would refer to you as “JarMan” and not, “poorly insensitive racist” or “that KKK dude”
Indo-euro, Indian, middle Eastern, etc. people should be addressed as such, with their cultures and religions respected because in case you might not realize, they are humans just like you
🙂
I say we ignore this guy, he is clearly just a troll who is desperate for attention.
TROOOOOOLL! TROLL IN THE COMENTS! Thought you’d want to know… *faints*
Now that comment actually was funny. XD
Best response ever.
Thank you for the flashback. :3
You know you’ve spent too much time on Facebook when you rage at not being able to upvote anywhere else.
I saw 50 comments and it isn’t noon yet, so I figured someone started a shitstorm. Guess I was right.
I would like to see it at 50 comments before noon because a major news agency had a story and linked the comic. No such luck.
I’m not the kind to get offended easily. I definitely have been making fun of pc culture ever since I was a kid. That “joke” left me very confused, until I read the comments and realized what “Isis” was supposed to mean. Dude, if you’re going to refer to it, please remember to capitalize the whole word. I seriously was trying to figure out what teacher was named after an Egyptian goddess.
Once I did understand it, all I can think is… that was just a bad joke.
I LOVE your initial thought. Go, Egyptian Goddess! Heh.
I’m a bit late for this discussion, but yeah, I also thought it was the Egyptian goddess. At least until I read the responses.
…or my cat. (Also named Isis, after the Egyptian goddess).
Please tell me it was also at least a little bit Batman related =D
What does Isis have to do with Batman?
Or use “Da’esh”.
This may be relevant: https://www.facebook.com/TheBelleJar/photos/pcb.947878298654067/947878038654093/?type=3&theater
I’m surprised people got so offended about a fictional character. It was supposed to be a joke, but I guess the response of the PC culture. *shrug*
Wow, I’m surprised that you got offended at some comments that were offering you constructive criticism of your behavior.
I guess that’s just the response of the brainwashed anti-PC culture.
*shrug*
There are some things that aren’t funny to talk about in general conversation. I’m a vet too, and even I won’t joke about something like that. There’s a great deal of Islamaphobia due to the actions of Daesh/ISIS right now. Calling the one primary supporting character “the Isis teacher” is not going to be met with positive responses in a group that’s been pretty supportive of Dave bringing in a character who is a Muslim in a positive role in Selkie’s life. The posts of others before me is the response of a politically correct, globally minded, non-discriminatory mind set.
that Doesn’t matter.
Yes. Yes it does. But a racist like you obviously is too blinded by your own bigotry to understand this.
The cry of the butthurt Bro who realizes everyone thinks he’s an ass.
Shut your racist mouth and face that you made a disgusting “joke” that’s being said about REAL people you horrible nasty racist. It isn’t “PC CULTURE” it’s being a decent human being. Of which you’re neither.
No.
You’re really that invested in your own racism that you won’t own up to being in the wrong? Of course.
Racists like you never do.
Sure, whatever you need to tell yourself.
You:*make a racist joke*
Everyone: Dude that’s wrong.
You: Uggh. PC culture is so thick here. I should be allowed to make insensitive racist jokes whenever I please.
Save your breath, mate. Dude’s a troll. Don’t feed it, and it’ll get bored and go away.
or get moderated/banned by Dave
Not wrong per se.
Jokes are jokes, no matter the subject. Being able to joke, even about controversial subjects is a value that deserves protection.
What isn’t acceptable is people doing the joke not because they think it’s funny – but because they think it’s true. Usually you tell the difference by tone of speaking and body language – kind of difficult to do on the internet, which means everybody’s entitled to the benefit of doubt about that.
Of course, you may object jokes are still harmful even if jokes because there are people who take them seriously even if they weren’t meant to be, propagating racism/xenophobia/whathaveyou. Well, that fault lies within the reader.
My two cents: you can make a racist joke without being racist. Just as an actor can scream “I AM LOKI, OF ASGARD” without being blasphemous.
(coincidentally, causing giggle outbreaks within the female audience.)
And before someone kills me, I wrote “female audience” because that particular actor is famous for those outbreaks, to my knowledge. Actually seen a video.
I’m quite sure male population would have similar reactions in similar situations.
Yeah no. You’re completely wrong. And just as bad as JarMan with your crap. You CANNOT make a racist joke without being racist you racist apologist.
Oh and your Loki comment is horribly sexist. You’re gross.
Quite sure you’d have replied, was actually hoping for a good discussion. I’d ask you to tone down your rage though. I understand it’s your style, been reading you for quite a while, but it only manages to befuddle the arguments (even meaningful ones) you could make. Plus insults, insults are bad.
I’d like to know why I’m completely wrong. Honest. Why can’t someone make a joke on race without being racist? I’ve already explained why I think it’s not so. It’s all about intent: a joke is a joke when you do it without seriousness behind it. You, on the other hand, just told me “You CANNOT make a racist joke without being racist (insult redacted).” Why is that so? Rather, why do you think it’s so? If your reason makes sense, know that I’ll completely change my views and ask for forgiveness. It’s just how I discuss: express views, get opinions, value opinions, change or retain views as warranted. Think it’s quite rational.
As for the Loki comment, I specified immediately, anticipating your reaction, I believe male audiences in similar situations would behave exactly the same. How is that sexist?
Gee you’re perpetuating a stereotype about another race,it isn’t funny and quite frankly JarMan wasn’t making a joke. He was being racist. And also,calling you a racist apologist isn’t an insult when you’re being one. You were being one. Which is WRONG very WRONG.
And making a joke about women is indeed sexist when you went out of your way to say it. But whatever. Backpedal some more.
Yeah, gotta agree with Dellis here. I am super 100% not a racist in any capacity; some of my best friends are Latino and black. There’s Luis, with whom I play board games with every week; John, my neighbor across the street, and the NICEST man you will ever meet; Kennedy, a first-generation American whose parents are from Kenya, who I was in theatre with in high school. Rogelio and Julius, two of my former co-workers. Andre, another friend from high school. Some of my favorite stand-up comedians are Russel Peters and Kumail Nanjiani.
That being said, I definitely think that, given proper circumstances and context, jokes can definitely be made that poke fun at ethnic stereotypes without irrevocably branding the speaker a racist, or a “racist apologist.”
Another of my friends, with whom I play Pathfinder, is named Dave. He refuses to answer to anything but his full nickname, “Big Nigga Dave,” and I call him that without reservation. When I went to Colorado, I got him a mug with a “Bigfoot Crossing” sign on it, and he thought it was hilarious. Do I hate black people because of this, and not know it?
If you can honestly say yes, that you think you know me better than I do, then I don’t know what to say. Maybe YOU’RE the one making snap decisions of people’s character. Things have subtleties and nuances, you know. It’s all about intent.
Dude. No. Just no. Racist jokes are never funny. And you’re gross for using the n-slur.
As it seems I’m not the only one who thinks jokes are just jokes, no matter the subject, if you mean to joke and not maintain that a race is better than another.
I can’t speak for what Jarman meant to do since I do not know him, neither do you, shouldn’t we give him the benefit of doubt? Granted, he did go over the line after the commenter’s initial reaction, but I suspect part of it if not all is due to being attacked in a quite rude way.
Consider this: I honestly believe you want to make a better world with your behaviour. You attack those you perceive as “bad humans” to shame them into a better belief system, one which makes the world a better place, with no suffering. That’s commendable.
Now, let’s take JarMan, for instance. Did attacking him make him reconsider his beliefs? In fact, it appears it just pushed him the wrong way, to be more racist, judging from his subsequent responses.
That’s because HE’S PART of the world you want less suffering in. He’s a real human, flesh and blood, he loves, suffers and grieves like you do. His granny, every morning, cooks him a cherry cake. He loves to read and hates dominoes.
Every time, in the urge to make the world a better place, you forget he’s human, you’re actually hurting part of the world itself. You become exactly what you hate. And I believe you do not want that. It’s an horrible, cruel trap, yet it is.
Wouldn’t it be better to tell him where you think he’s wrong and why, without shaming him? I’m sure you’ve been wrong at least sometime in your life. You recognized you were, and changed. Can’t he do the same? Why hate someone if he’s wrong?
Wouldn’t it be better to explain?
The world is full of second chances, though. You have one before you. I told you why I think jokes can be just jokes. Same as an actor can say he’s a god in a film without being blasphemous: he doesn’t mean it, not really.
As for the joke about Loki and giggles: as I said, the same for males. Sexism is thinking one sex is better than the other. It’s about making differences which are not there. If I say both genders behave exactly the same in similar situations, how is that sexist? And I assure you, no backpedaling. I wrote that addendum before you objected, as message order proves. Just occurred to me that things I usually leave unspecified when with friends who know me might need specifying in this context. My bad.
Do not, though, for an instant, think an insult is not an insult if true. What makes an insult, again, is intent. If I did make that comment about Loki only about women, it would have been an insult. You would have been justly outraged.
But there actually is a video in which women giggle uncontrollably at him saying that line. I can provide links. It’s true, the comment is true. And yet, without the subsequent specification, it would have been an insult. You’d have been outraged, would you not?
Insults are still insults even if true.
(coincidentally, i beg you not to insult McBehrer. Thar slur, as he said, is actually what his friend wants to be called like. It’s their joke, and they find it funny. Why should you tell them not to say that?)
Ah, my bad, I forgot to adress one of your points.
You maintain that making that jokes perpetuates stereotypes about races.
That may be, in fact, for some instances, true. But if I mean it to be a joke, and some other man or woman instead takes it as truth, the fault is not in the one who makes a joke – which is just a joke – but in the ones who take it as truth, is it not? They should be told to not take everything at face value, and that taking that joke as truth is quite racist – but that shouldn’t mean I need to stop making that joke. Just get better audiences, or explain before it’s just a joke.
It’s quite like victim blaming. Someone kills me (in metaphor, someone takes the joke as truth) because i go in a dark street (tell a joke). The one at fault is the murderer (the one that takes the joke as truth) and not the one who goes in a dark street (me telling a joke).
And no. Just no. Stop trying to justify your grossness you troll. It’s not okay and will NEVER be okay. It still perpetuates stereotypes. You’re gross and in the wrong.
“It’s just a joke! One that perpetuates gross things about you! Let me make it!” That’s you. That’s what you sound like.
If you called a fictional black person a nigger that would be OK because it’s a fictional character?
At the bare minimum, your comment was in poor taste. In my interpretation you’re a racist dick.
I see NO upside to your comment at all. You should apologize for it instead of trying to justify it.
Because they are nonexistent? Yep.
It would still be wrong. You’re in the wrong. And your racism doesn’t belong here.
Why not tweet Trump. I bet he’ll appreciate your narrow backarseward views.
No
Why not. I bet you’ll be besties in no time.
Ah right now he’s just having fun ticking you off LadyObvious. I just marked the joke as unoriginal and boring. Much like every attempt JarMan has made at humor. I say come back with us over at the cool kids table. We got lemonade and Playstation. Or at least I do. I don’t know about the others.
Is it made with organic lemons, raw sugar and the finest spring water? The Playstation, not the lemonade.
I think I did get a food based hippy mad scientist to make it for me. So probably.
Oh look! Puppies! C’mon, everyone! Puppies! With pink star stickers all over them:) *waves everyone over*
I was joking there. Not angry. X3
That’s funny, dude, considering you and everyone else on the internet is fictional as far as I’m concerned. You’re just words on a screen. You’re not real at all. So, by your rules, I don’t need to care about you or your sensibilities.
So you should be perfectly okay with the fact that you’ve caused us to declare you a monster. Interestingly enough, you don’t seem to be. So maybe you should examine your belief structure just a tiny bit, hmm?
Not that it matters, really. You’re just words. You’re not real. And who cares about imaginary people? Not me, man. Not me.
Here’s the thing about jokes: usually, they’re funny. This isn’t. Hell it’s not even a “joke”, it’s just a lazy attempt at being edgy by invoking sensitive and offensive subject matter capriciously.
Well put Dave. This response gets two thumbs up from me. 🙂
What I could not figure out, Dave, is if he typed in “-Edited by Dave” or was that an edit you did? Is that your art he changed? I was confused but decided to ignore it cuz, y’know, trolling.
From what I can see, that image was inserted by Dave, and she’s flipping JarMan off.
That edit was me shamelessly abusing my admin powers. ;P
I had a chuckle at “Much hardcore, such badass”, so worth it.
Very laughter. Wow.
Cry a river Dave. I mean I expected you to be a lil bitch about it since the comic is presented as one of the most unrealistic representations of life.
It’s pretty funny such a minor, insignificant thing can be blown so horribly out of perportation. I can’t believe it needs to be said, but making a racist joke doesn’t make you a racist, making a rape joke does not mean you support rape and making dead baby jokes does not mean you are a baby killer.
The last season of South Park perfectly portrayed you people. Up in arms, crying about a fictional sand nigger.
There’s two kinds of race jokes. Ones that function as social commentary, pointing out flaws and misconceptions in society, and ones that just perpetuate toxic ideologies without any real point or purpose except to offend for offensiveness sake. Yours is the second, it serves no purpose except to try and offend people just for the hell of it. Frankly, you comparing your “humor” to South Park’s critical commentary is laughably pompous.
Eww. He used the n-slur. Dude is uber gross. I don’t think you’re going to reach him,Dave.
I agree. I try to be light-handed around here, but that outburst was it for me.
I know and you’re very patient with a lot of this kind of stuff. Mostly mine. I don’t know how you keep your temper sometimes. But you do it very well.
Very, *very* few people can successfully use over-the-top racism as humor. Unless you genuinely think you can be as funny as, say, Mel Brooks, don’t even try. Even Trey Parker and Matt Stone have had a few clangers, and they’re some of the few who can do it successfully.
Just no. Don’t ever. Racist jokes are never funny and don’t make them.
I’m just trying to figure out where the joke was. You said Isis Teacher. That’s the joke? It’s just two words. A joke requires more set up than that. It requires any setup and you didn’t do anything. Hell the old non-joke “What’s really funny? Feminism!” has more of a setup and where a punchline would be there is one.
I’ve made my share of ISIS jokes, hell, we should make fun of ISIS, it’s a POS organization that exists on fear. The best weapon against them is mockery, and carpet bombing, but that’s a subject for a later date.
Will you hurt her feelings insulting her? No, not at all. She isn’t real. But it’s a hot button issue and I think you’ll find that people don’t like their beloved characters that they enjoy getting compared to that horror show.
But hey, I’m feeding a troll. Because that’s all you are. A guy that has come in and said nothing but inflamatory and controversial things for the sake of being controversial. Frankly, you’re played out my dear, trite, and cliche. But I can’t wait till the next episode of Jarman where you make fun of me for being a pussy for pointing out that you’re dull and boring.
Guys. JarMan’s just gonna be mean no matter what we say. Web pages that permit anonymity are MAGNETS for those folks. Just ignore them. You can’t make them stop, but they can’t make you respond. Which is what they really want, I say!
“PC culture.” Oh dear.
Yes, JarMan. PC culture, otherwise known as common decency, or having good manners, or being respectful of others. What’s the opposite of that? There’s nothing brave about being a jerk.
As for your specific “joke” – it received the response it did because, right now, suggesting a Moslem woman is somehow a terrorist is a giveaway sign of a particularly toxic American sub-culture. There isn’t a name for it that you won’t think is insulting. It existed long before Trump rose to prominence, but in his primary run, he made some people think that it’s now okay to say hateful things.
No, JarMan, it isn’t. That you could have thought for even one second that the word qualified as humor says far too much about the people you’ve been hanging out with in real life — none of it good.
The funny thing is that I scoff when someone tries to make me be PC. I am about as backwards and stuck in my ways as can be and I grew up in the cold war. The butt end of it sure, but I still had all that stuff drilled into my head. I am a relic and proud of it.
But when he called her an ISIS member, I just thought of her hitting him with a sock filled with a shoe over and over in the head going “Bad, bad, bad! Wrong, wrong, wrong!” Sometimes the relic can get along with the new I guess. Or maybe it’s some residue from getting my tooth extracted ten minutes ago.
Straighten out your fedora, iron your white sheet, and don’t be late for the Trump rally.
Tony Stark pouring a fruit juice behind the bar; “Not a funny joke.”
There is nothing about that character that you lead you to tie her into ISIS other than her religion. Keep in mind that ISIS is brutalizing Muslims who don’t toe the line and, as a teacher, she would certainly draw their ire.
So, on several levels, the “joke” just wasn’t funny or pertinent.
They are ADORABLE
Welp. Amanda has a point. But I vote she goes purple.
I think it would wash out her skin too much. I vote for emerald green
Depends on the shade. Lavender would be so cute on Amanda. Rainbow would definitely be cool on Selkie.
nah… PLAID!!
Is that possible? :3 I mean I know you’re joking but still.
It’s definitely possible! Difficult (and can be expensive – can take hours to do with a skilled stylist, though you can do it at home if you don’t mind it not looking as polished).
Usually you start by dying the entire head of hair the base color, and then blocking it off in strips to dye the ‘weave’ whichever other color(s). So a Royal Stewart tartan, you might be able to pull off by first bleaching the entire head of hair; you’d then either tape off or use a gelatin coat to keep the white/light yellow thin sections that color and dye the rest the Stewart red. Then more or less keep going with that method to add the black in whichever strengths appropriate to get your finished result!
(Disclaimer: I have never dyed my hair plaid. I have a friend, however, who is a stylist and has done much crazier stuff than that.)
That’s… ludicrous.
AND Fast…
I know, it puts my brains into my feet.
There’s only one speed faster: the speed of lint!
I love the last panel!
“Well played.”
Soon as winter break hits- silver streaks like lightning in Selkie’s hair to match her mad-scientist alternate persona. Wonder what the Sarnathoi use for cosmetics and such. Nearly every culture on in history has used appearance altering/improving methods, so I can’t imagine the Sarnathoi wouldn’t do the same. I say waiting for winter break because I don’t think the school’s dress code allows for unnatural colors (though I could be wrong in this).
I would really thin the bleach needed to truly die selfies hair would be horrible for her lungs and gills. Fumes and such, plus if any touched her skin.
I think in a well ventilated room, starting with a gentle color remover and working it by stages lighter would be best. Lets you test a given product on her at partial strength then work to a lighter color until you can dye it to the color you want. Or at least that’s what I’d do after checking with the doctor. And I’d still do the skin-patch test, that way if it does cause a reaction, its one tiny area.
I kinda want Andi to take Selkie in for the whole mani-pedi-hair thing. Some bonding time for Selkie and her sister’s Mom.
It also would help Amanda help with the competitiveness if she is given an opportunity to participate.
Or… Let Todd have Amanda time while Andi gets Selkie time? I dunno. Still feels odd.
I hope that Todd checks to make sure Selkie doesn’t have any allergies to the dyes and bleach required for rainbow hair
Selkie’s sensitivity to plants is only in regards to eating them. She wears them just fine every day.
wearing… yeah, but actually using the chemicals on your hair with associated skin contact… MAJOR difference there, heck with even normal people they can build up enough sensitivity to the stuff they use over time so they can’t use it anymore, one example i recently heard of is the actress that plays Abby on NCIS actually got hospitalized because of the black hair dye… so I’d be especially leery about an entirely different species reactions to “ordinary” stuff like that…
I don’t see what is special about panel 4 that would have you say it was intentional. Could you explain?
I think it’s Amanda calling Andi “mom”
I’m gonna go with the fact that Selkie wanted to copy Andi by getting her hair dyed, but complained when Amanda wanted to do the same thing.
In other words, Amanda is calling Selkie a hypocrite.
I thought it was Selkie’s “copies” which is incorrect grammar, beyond Selkie’s usual extra ‘s’.
“Stops copies me’ is a line from Metalocalypse. An event between Skwisgaar and Toki. At least, that’s what I felt it was a reference to.
Yeah, that’s the first thing that popped into my head too. Then again, I’m surprised it doesn’t happen a bit more often, because clearly Sarnoothi has the same pluralization conventions as Scandinavian tongues.
Yep, you got it. I guess I felt the “stops copies me” line would be a more overt reference, but it didn’t seem to convey well as referential. 😡
I thought it was the slight twisting of the typical “YOUR MOM” joke/comment :3
Panel 4 made me think of Sailor Moon, when Serena meets Rini. To recap, Serena says something about Rini’s stealing her hairstyle, and Rini responding it was her mother’s hairstyle. Don’t know if that was the reference, but it was the first thing that came to my mind!
I’m surprised no one wondered this.
Do her claws grow?
Since she is not human, using human physiology as a guide is dumb. MY nails grow all the time. My TEETH, however, grow so far and they don’t grow any more.
Would be a shame if her finger and toe claws also only grew so far and stopped, and for the sake of vanity they declawed her.
I believe a talk with Dr. Bunnyears or Agent Orange would be a wise idea.
I don’t know of any animals whose claws don’t grow.
That said, I’ve come to expect claws to have an internal blood supply, which means if the manicurist cuts Selkie’s claws like fingernails, everyone is going to have a bad time.
Depends on where the quick is. Cats can have their claws safely clipped if you pay attention to where the quick is.
I think Rainbow Hair would look great on both Selkie and Amanda. I would check with the school’s policy first; I don’t know if dyeing their hair is permitted or not. I know in some schools students cannot dye their hair, but I don’t know what the policies on hair dyeing in the US would be.
Given what happened to the last guy who tried to harass Selkie because “it’s policy” I don’t think his replacement will want to go there.
Oh, Selkie. Consider it flattery, dear. It would be so cute if they both had rainbow hair. Then they’d really look like sisters. The “stop copying me” thing is pretty much a universal sibling saying. 😀
Actually I take the Well Played as a good sign. They may not get along well, but hey, this is a start.
Selkie would obviously use water colors on her hair….
Had a friend Amy who dyed her hair so dark purple you could only tell it wasn’t black when the light reflected off it. She would turn her head and a purple shimmer would be seen. She had nice long straight hair down to her shoulder blades.
So, any bets on just how fast these two are going to compete themselves into sisterhood?
Or how long it’ll take them to notice?