Okay so, this is wonky as hell, but I’ve had the strangest damn bit of luck regarding comic-making. My power outlets in my bedroom/studio/study/office/whatever died out, so my whole room is electronically dead. I hand-inked and photographed another strip expecting to be able to use my laptop for coloring and text, only to find that it won’t detect my iphone to get the image off, so I’ll need to do some work-arounds to get any more done to it.
One can only press on, ya know? I’ll mess with it and see if I can update things later tonight.
-EDIT- Done. 😡
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Oh man. I don’t blame her. People touching my feet make me uncomfortable too.
45 or so years back, the MYF went to the roller rink. I’d never been on skates before, so the guy running the place decided to help me learn.
Took hold of my left arm and put his right arm around my shoulders to hold my right arm.
This may or may not be the correct way to teach someone the correct “sideways push” needed to skate. But all I knew was this man I’d never seen was hugging me.
I jerked away like he’d poked me with a hot iron.
I still can’t skate. 🙂
What does this have to do with being uncomfortable with random people touching her feet?
It is kinda the same concept isn’t it?
Someone you JUST met touching you in a way you are uncomfortable with.
I mean maybe they did not mean anything by it but the you still feel uncomfortable.
That’s not the same thing? Like one has a stranger go out of his way to touch.
Another is a professional doing something to Amanda without knowing she isn’t okay with that. I sympathized.
Basically some dude grabbed Alpo without permission and Amanda was at a salon. So no. There’s a difference. A big one too.
The concept seems exactly the same to me as well. In both cases, a worker was trying to help their customer. My guess is that physically helping a child learn to skate is within the standard job requirements of someone working at a skating rink.
It isn’t. At all. You’re not required to. Especially without their or parental consent.
Agreed, the situations are very similar, unexepected contact by the child thats within the scope of the job of the adult employee.
See LadyO, this is why you get people who react to you in a negative fashion, your response to someone who is relating what they feel is a similar experience is to attack them. It was completely unnecessary and rude. They weren’t disagree with you in any way.
I wasn’t attacking. At all. I didn’t attack anyone over this.
You might not have MEANT to, but you were. It isn’t really what you were saying, but HOW you were saying it, and you were fairly tactless.
No I wasn’t. At all. There literally was no attack. Both of you are wrong. :/
Might not be intentional then, but your posts do come across as rather hostile more often than not.
No I don’t. It’s not an attack. This is getting ridiculous.
Um, no, we are not “wrong” about what we percieve or how you come across. The only thing we can be wrong about is your intent.
However, whatever your intent was, your attitude, and the way you conveyed your view came across to multiple people, unrelated, unconnected in anyway but that we read this comic and its comments, as hostile, dismissive and rude.
You repeatedly declared to people that their impression about a situation, that they see and interpret as similar isn’t simply different than yours, but that they are wrong. You declare things to be one way and expect the rest of us to simply accept your words as fact. Thats not how the world works. You are not Dave and we are not your characters. You don’t get to control what we think or how we perceive things.
Just because you don’t FEEL like it’s an attack, doesn’t mean other people do not feel that it IS an attack. You may not have meant to come across that way, but to everyone else, you did.
It isn’t an attack. This is getting ridiculous.
It did in fact seem like at the very least an act of condescending aggression. Alpo tried to make a comment about something similar thar happened to them. The concept being a stranger touching them with no ill intent, but it still made them feel weird. They’re similar and you insist they’re not at all, continue to insist that you’re right and everyone else is wrong, because you don’t think they’re similar in any way. You come off as an aggressive, condescending jerk. Maybe you didn’t intent for that, but that’s how multiple people see you almost every time you post. Someone who declares they’re right and if you disagree, then they’re wrong and bad for it.
My advice to you, is to either stop insinuating you’re right and only your opinion is correct, or to stop responding as if you’ve been wronged and are a victim when someone disagrees with you or says you’re being rude. Because as it is, you come off as immature and hot headed or a troll.
I’m not saying you’re doing this on purpose, but people certainly think you are, so maybe you should take a little more care in what you say and how you say it.
I know this comment will get twisted, but I am sincerely trying to give you some advice if you honestly don’t see yourself as coming off this way to others.
All I did was ask a question. Like I was confused. -___- And the situation is not in the least bit similar. Because no one told the guy who tried to touch Amanda’s feet that she wasn’t okay with it.
Another is someone grabbing a kid without permission.
They’re not the same.
Also even when I am calm and explaining something,like with an issue a while back,people seem to get angry and yell. Even when I had pointed out something they said was wrong or was joking. Like with the breastfeeding thing and Todd being a bit weenie.
Also I wasn’t saying ‘you’re wrong’ just that the situations aren’t the same. But whatever. I always seem to be the bad guy around here no matter what I do. -___-
Let me see if I can explain it, LadyO. Alpo shared a story of a situation they felt was similar because of a discomfort of strangers touching them. It’s not the same situation or the same body part (I, too, hate people touching my feet), but they felt because of the ‘don’t want a stranger touching me in the context of their job’ (even if it wasn’t actually part of their job, young Alpo clearly didn’t know that), they could relate to Amanda’s experience. Your next three responses were insisting that it’s not the same. Well, it’s not exactly, and you’re entitled to see those differences as important if it is to you, but Alpo felt it similar enough to feel a connection, which is why they shared the story. Your insistence that it’s not really the same comes across as invalidating that connection, which can feel to some people like an attack.
See, here we go again. You didn’t JUST ask a question. You asked a question and then declared that the other person was flat out wrong. YOU may not feel that the situations are “the same” but other people felt that they were similar enough to warrant the same type of feeling.
If you don’t want to be the “bad guy” then you need to consider how you react to others, how you treat others and how you present yourself to others. In multiple instances you have been hostile towards others. You have accused people of misogyny without cause. You also frequently assert your view as if it is incontrovertible fact. You dismiss the views of others and continue to assert that your view is THE right one. Yes, people are not going to see you as friendly or reasonable if you take that type of attitude towards them.
If you want to be percieved differently then you need to act differently. You can still express an opinion, you can still disagree with what other people believe, but you need to do so without the hostile, arrogant, and dismissive behaviors.
@Chug They are not the same. The situation is different. For crying out loud.
@DavidK You seem to always be after me. Funny how you’re not considered hostile. But hey. Whatever. Can’t even make an obvious joke without people getting up in arms over it
. What else is there to expect anymore.
I tried. I really did. But eh, whatever, I made a genuine attempt to help.
Again, it isn’t what you said. It’s how you said it. You put your question and your later statements in a way that came across as hostile, and shutting down now isn’t the way to learn to be more tactful in the future.
As for the skating rink person, teaching someone how to skate involves physical contact with the person you are teaching, to steady them and help them learn how to move their body, unless you want to watch them fall flat on their ass all day. The skating rink person was doing their job, and I don’t see ANYTHING in Alpo’s post saying the parents hadn’t given permission. Hadn’t warned Alpo, maybe, but, then again, workers at a mani-pedi place don’t give warning, either, because one assumes that a customer would know that involves touching the hands and feet, respectively. It isn’t unreasonable to assume the guy thought Alpo knew that’s what was involved in teaching someone how to skate.
Alpo hadn’t written that he was. And I wasn’t. I literally wasn’t hostile AT ALL. -_-
Shutting down, being dismissive, and insisting that the situations aren’t even remotely similar when several people have pointed out that yes, they are, are BOTH hostile actions. At this point, if you don’t want to be seen as hostile, and don’t want to even try to listen, your best bet is to just agree to disagree and move on.
It’s a matter of inference and knowledge of human nature. If it had been without Alpo’s parents’ permission, Alpo would likely have mentioned that, or at least mentioned Alpo’s parents reacting to that because most parents would flip out if someone put their hands on their kid without their permission.). Ergo, the safest assumption is that the parents were okay with the worker teaching Alpo how to skate, and that nothing untoward was actually going on, merely a reaction to something that was unexpected and seemed like a hug (based on the description, stability and balance while teaching the right way to move were the goals, not getting handsy with a kid. In that position, it’s easier to control the learner’s center of mass to keep them upright. Well within the job description of skating rink personnel, who are there as much to ensure the safety of the guests as to run the place. Most places I’ve been to offer lessons.). The only real differences are the location (skating rink vs salon) and the parts involved (feet vs arms and shoulders). Both employees were just doing their jobs (teaching kids to skate is a service usually offered by skating rinks, and with nothing to indicate Alpo’s parents did not give permission, and nothing to indicate any parental reactions to such, there’s no reason to believe they didn’t unless Alpo chooses to comment such.), both kids reacted in an atypical (not necessarily wrong, just not normal) manner, neither kid was apparently warned that physical contact was part of the service being offered (touching Amanda’s feet in order to do the pedi, and grabbing Alpo’s arms in order to keep Alpo stable while teaching Alpo to skate.), and both were weirded out as a result. They may not be EXACTLY the same situation, but, based on the information provided and logical conclusions thereof, they’re close enough.
You express yourself aggressively when communicating with other people (at least in text), rather you realize it or not. Your insistent use of “At all.” may play a small role, as if that ends the argument just because YOU said so.
You came across as aggressive to everyone commenting here.
You (seemingly) didn’t mean to come across as attacking.
Our interpretation is just as much a reality as your intent. You simply did not express your intent very well.
mmm Just because it is a professional doing a job does not mean you won’t feel a certain way.
It may be involuntary. like a visit to the Doctor. You know they have your best interest in mind, but when they do that ‘One’ thing that makes you feel weird.
woops tired and read your comment wrong…
sorry it is finals week for me
Amanda had never been to a salon before.
She has no way to know that someone touching her feet was a normal thing unless Andi had taken the time to explain ahead of time, and it probably hadn’t occurred to Andi that what was supposed to happen wasn’t common knowledge.
From the point of view of the child to which it is occurring, it is exactly the same.
Not really? Last time I checked skate places ain’t allowed to do that. Especially if they don’t ask you. So this isn’t the same. :/
Multiple people have tried to talk to you about this. At this point I’m wondering if you’re intentionally trolling.
By pointing out that skate places don’t allow their employees to touch you especially without permission? That’s trolling now? Wow. Gee. Thanks for that! So awesome!!!!! ?
*You* are the only one inserting the word permission. OP’s statement was that it wasn’t expected. Way to assume. And then you presume to know 1) employee’s job description, 2) parental permission/involvement and then 3) to judge is similarity. You are either willfully dense or incapable of self reflection…
Social (and sometimes written down) rules for non-related adult/child physical contact has changed in the 45 years since the skating incident occurred, LadyObvious.
A parallel: when I was a child, it was perfectly acceptable for a teacher to initiate a hug with a student. Now it’s nigh prohibited to even ACCEPT a spontaneous hug from a student, and new teachers are taught “proper hugging procedure” aka the “a-frame hug”.
So while now a days, a skate worker should get active concent from a child they were teaching to skate that wasn’t always true.
Again, from the point of view of the child, it is EXACTLY the same.
We’re not talking about a legal standpoint or parental stand point, or even YOUR view point.
FROM THE POINT OF VIEW+ OF THE CHILD, they are no different.
A child doesn’t know for laws what is and isn’t supposed to happen. They just know they are being touched by a stranger and do not like it.
That is why it’s the same. Does that make it more clear?
Haha…maybe she was being somewhat Lady NotSoObvious, am I am right? ?
Sorry I couldn’t resist
Well now we need fan art of Amanda as Toph :\
I for one actually really like the inked / drawn picture. It reminds me of rosalarian (another good webcomic artist). She altered her comic style all the time from digital, hand drawn, clay, cardboard cut outs, etc. I actually kinda like your hand drawn better than digital.. It has that true comicky feel, you know?
That last part is really funny now that I can attach voices to pictures. Excellent work. Thank you for the laughs as always.
(It might be bad that I thought of pedo at first before my brain corrected it to the proper meaning of pedi?)
I did as well. Probably why the Oxford spelling is ‘paedo’, rather than ‘pedo’.
Depending on the age of your home, it’s not that strange to occasionally pop a circuit breaker or fuse in a room used for computing. The total power consumption of an artist’s devices can easily overwhelm a 15 amp circuit. If it happens again, however, you should get an electrician to look at it. Repeated overloads aren’t just an annoyance; they’re also a fire hazard. (It may be a good idea to have someone look at it anyway, just in case it’s a short or a ground fault.)
You got it, it’s an older house. But I’ve had the same suite of electronics plugged into those outlets for years with no problems.
We were out of town this past weekend and my area had some bad storms, including tree damage. One of the outlets was out when I got home and we had to flip the breaker to get it back up and running. Yesterday that outlet and a second one both went out at the same time and the breakers and fuses didn’t make it hot again, so we’ve called an electrician.
Dave… you are a constant reminder to me of how much I could be doing if I put in the time and effort instead of getting distracted by The Sims (latest obsession, footage ideally gonna make it to YouTube videos at some point).
I have two working computers, a drawing pad, plenty of good software, decades of amassed knowledge about the crafts I’m interested in (even if I haven’t refined them in practice like I should’ve been), and what I do with it is a tiny, erratic fraction of what you manage when life throws you a curve ball and you’re out a bit of tech for a while.
I aspire to someday be as good at getting out consistent content as you are. Really hope I get that part of my life straight before a couple years go by and I’m in my 40’s :\
Andi is pretty cool to take this all in stride. Some people would be very offended to have a child not care for their planned day—even (or especially) when it was for the child’s sake.
Well it’s kind of her personality. Andi is kind of a laid back person. Sometimes. X3
If the “adult” is getting offended, the special day wasn’t for the child, it was for the “adult”‘s ego.
“I don’t care if i WAS being bad”.
That there is a huge part of Amanda’s problem, the not caring part.
Makes me wonder what she actually did though. oO
Going by the foot comment. Probably kicked someone.
I wouldn’t call that being bad though, more like someone clearly failed to let her know what to expect.
True. But considering this is Amanda,she probably did more and broke something.
All your outlets went electrically dead?
That is bad mojo, there’s a either short in your room, or the fuse blew, or both. A short could burn down your house. BE CAREFUL, get it checked out, OK?
Got an electrician called and scheduled, thank you. 🙂
Ah, the colors help. Before was colored, I remained under the impression was Selkie the whole comic, and I was a bit confused.
i can see as how the dialog could be misleading, but look at the pupils of their eyes… a dead give-away that they’re two different people… even in the non-colored version it was the same.