“The counts of the indictment are luxury, bad manners, contempt for authority, disrespect to elders, and a love for chatter in place of exercise. …
Children began to be the tyrants, not the slaves, of their households. They no longer rose from their seats when an elder entered the room; they contradicted their parents, chattered before company, gobbled up the dainties at table, and committed various offences against Hellenic tastes, such as crossing their legs. They tyrannised over the paidagogoi and schoolmasters.”
— Kenneth John Freeman, about ancient Greece, usually misquoted and misattributed to either Plato or Socrates
So true: “Our earth is degenerate in these latter days; there are signs that the world is speedily coming to an end; bribery and corruption are common; children no longer obey their parents; every man wants to write a book and the end of the world is evidently approaching,” attributed to an Assyrian stone tablet of about 2800 B.C
This quote is probably fake. The “every man wants to write a book” part rings very anachronistically. This was probably invented in the 20th century to create the impression that ‘elders complaining about youth’ has been ubiquitous throughout all of human history.
Ecclesiastes isn’t fake. It’s at least 2200 years old, and among the oldest texts surviving, aside from various short bits that were carved in stone on a monument – and then lucky enough to be buried when the politics changed and the monument was knocked over, because 2,000 years of exposure to the wind in the Middle East will sandblast several inches of stone away. I can’t see the bellyaching about youth in that book as something that would be carved into a monument.
The Jews assiduously copied their Holy Books whenever the parchment started to rot away or the text to fade excessively; even though the Torah has been recopied many times, it’s likely that there were few errors because they were highly motivated to be accurate. No one else started doing that so early and kept it up to modern times. So it’s likely that similar things were said and occasionally written down for millenia before Ecclesiastes, but that’s the oldest such text that survived.
I’m reminded of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LD0x7ho_IYc
Again, not sure how much is serious research and historically accurate, but it’s at least an entertaining video on the subject.
I’m partly embarrassed and partly thinking that was just classic Selkie. Also wondering how the Sarnothi are going to take Todd’s presence, and especially him being her father even though he isn’t involved in the secrecy directly. (Like, it’s natural for the agent to be involved in cross-species family units, but Todd’s kinda an outlier.)
In other news: Tiny Box Tim Day in like nine days! (June 28th.) I’m debating about buying a bunch of burgers/tacos and driving around to all the places I regularly see homeless people, so they have something warm to eat. It’s been a rather cool summer (for the second year in a row), which is the only reason I still have long hair.
I am conflicted on this:
First… I don’t know what Tiny Box Tim Day is.
Second… I kind of love you for helping the homeless.
Third… I kind of hate you because now I have that Bananarama song in my head (it’s Cruel Summer, but in my head they’re singing “Cool Summer”)
On the one hand…. i’d be humiliated if I was a parent accompany a child who announced themselves like this, like….. “no, please this is not how you hello”. On the other hand…. this IS Selkie…. she might feel like she has to make a grander entrance than the average kid.
Wait, is this a WET submersible? I hadn’t thought of that, with Pohl talking about conserving air, I was thinking they would be in a pressure vessel; I guess it would be just as easy to have the interior flooded and having Todd and Avery breathing from a tank in the sub. That would also let them do tank-swaps to lengthen their time underwater.
either that or the whole frickin’ SUB is an airlock.
airlock.
Same way torpedos and Missles and Various other exiting entrance methods. Inner door seals closed water gets pumped in outer door opens Something exits outer door closes water gets pumped out inner door stays closed.
It’s a question of whether it’s more akin to the river from “The Martian” the book (distinct airlock) or from the movie (the entire passenger cabin must be depressurized to enter or exit).
presumeably more like the DSRV escape hatch on a US nuclear sub or more likely the pressurized tube as in a torpedo (without the obvious compressed air launch)
There is enough room in there for an airlock. actually, the airlock basically IS a room, or compartment rather, with an inner door and an outer. they don’t have to be on opposite walls.
Guys, I know what an airlock is. Problem is, an airlock has to have enough space to hold an entire person, and this sub isn’t big enough to have one without it sticking out down into the middle of the cabin.
You do realize most subs DON’T have airlocks, right? There is a kind of airlock used for emergencies called an “escape trunk” but it’s not used in a normal situation; it operates manually and you have to make sure to close the outside door or people in the sub are trapped. You normally don’t get out of a submarine underwater.
The only boat in the US Navy that actually has a working airlock is the USS Jimmy Carter, which is a Seawolf-class submarine that is longer than usual due to a “Multi-Mission Platform” housed in the middle of the sub that allows ROVs and divers to exit on underwater missions.
If we assume the exit hole is a 2.5 foot wide hatch (which it should be- that’s small but usable by an adult man, and seems in proportion to Selkie in the pic)… then this sub is at least 20 feet long and eight foot high. Assuming Dave got his proportions correctly drawn.
If the vehicle isn’t intended for long term submersion or travel, with the advantage of a *fresh water* lake rather than the nightmare of oceanic travel… you can pack a low power waterlock system into a sub like this.
It might need to surface in order to purge the water from the vessel, but it can be done if you have the desire to do it and fifty or sixty grand to waste.
I assume the military can afford that.
The real question is “why the hell is the hatch on the top instead of the bottom where it’d work a million times better?”
Why its on top easier to float out easier to get out of in case of emergency and easier to get out of when bottoming. Same as in a any submarine. Otherwise youd use a moon pool and wouldn’t bother with a submarine at all youd simply use a diving bell.
Incidentally I just barely fit in the escape hatch of a US sub. but im a fatty mc Fat arse. a fit person in dive gear will fit just fine in a 34 inch diameter 6 foot tall space.
A kid raised in an entirely foreign culture whose behavior may be here-to-for unprecedented in Sarnothi society. For all we know such behavior may indeed be indicative of some kind of dry air induced madness. Or she could be being sarcastic. Regardless I see no need of “chill”.
Eight year olds only slightly resemble actual human beings t the BEST of times.
A seven year old at a wedding I was at piped up very loudly and said “Mommy, that doesn’t look like Samantha! (the bride) Samantha doesn’t wear all that makeup!”
To. The. Entire. Church.
Even the ushers stopped ushing to giggle, from the BACK of the church.
yah, we were eating out on one of those restaurants that had seats on the outside, a parade was going trough the street and my 7 yo was looking at them very interested and exited
then some girls that decided to go with only body paint passed trough
there was no music so everyone could hear whatever she said and she yelled “Daddy are those girls NAKED?!”
I told her “no, they just don’t have a shirt or a bra on”
she looked at them and proclaimed with the sanctity of a 7 year old
Did Underdog start it or just popularize it? Regardless I kinda feel like its become part of the common vernacular now, I’m pretty sure many who use it have never seen Underdog (at least the original cartoons, though I don’t think many people saw the remake movie either tbh)
That comment about elders is worrisome, though they seem to be taking it in stride so that’s good – I expect a culture shock incomming though.
oh please Us old people have been sayin you youngsters all all insane since there were Old people.
“The counts of the indictment are luxury, bad manners, contempt for authority, disrespect to elders, and a love for chatter in place of exercise. …
Children began to be the tyrants, not the slaves, of their households. They no longer rose from their seats when an elder entered the room; they contradicted their parents, chattered before company, gobbled up the dainties at table, and committed various offences against Hellenic tastes, such as crossing their legs. They tyrannised over the paidagogoi and schoolmasters.”
— Kenneth John Freeman, about ancient Greece, usually misquoted and misattributed to either Plato or Socrates
all that being said you whippersnappers are annoying…
So true: “Our earth is degenerate in these latter days; there are signs that the world is speedily coming to an end; bribery and corruption are common; children no longer obey their parents; every man wants to write a book and the end of the world is evidently approaching,” attributed to an Assyrian stone tablet of about 2800 B.C
This quote is probably fake. The “every man wants to write a book” part rings very anachronistically. This was probably invented in the 20th century to create the impression that ‘elders complaining about youth’ has been ubiquitous throughout all of human history.
Ecclesiastes isn’t fake. It’s at least 2200 years old, and among the oldest texts surviving, aside from various short bits that were carved in stone on a monument – and then lucky enough to be buried when the politics changed and the monument was knocked over, because 2,000 years of exposure to the wind in the Middle East will sandblast several inches of stone away. I can’t see the bellyaching about youth in that book as something that would be carved into a monument.
The Jews assiduously copied their Holy Books whenever the parchment started to rot away or the text to fade excessively; even though the Torah has been recopied many times, it’s likely that there were few errors because they were highly motivated to be accurate. No one else started doing that so early and kept it up to modern times. So it’s likely that similar things were said and occasionally written down for millenia before Ecclesiastes, but that’s the oldest such text that survived.
I’m reminded of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LD0x7ho_IYc
Again, not sure how much is serious research and historically accurate, but it’s at least an entertaining video on the subject.
Culture shock away!
I’m partly embarrassed and partly thinking that was just classic Selkie. Also wondering how the Sarnothi are going to take Todd’s presence, and especially him being her father even though he isn’t involved in the secrecy directly. (Like, it’s natural for the agent to be involved in cross-species family units, but Todd’s kinda an outlier.)
In other news: Tiny Box Tim Day in like nine days! (June 28th.) I’m debating about buying a bunch of burgers/tacos and driving around to all the places I regularly see homeless people, so they have something warm to eat. It’s been a rather cool summer (for the second year in a row), which is the only reason I still have long hair.
Tiny Box Tim Day is a thing-?! Omg I love Markiplier. What does it entail?!! I wanna celebrate!
I am conflicted on this:
First… I don’t know what Tiny Box Tim Day is.
Second… I kind of love you for helping the homeless.
Third… I kind of hate you because now I have that Bananarama song in my head (it’s Cruel Summer, but in my head they’re singing “Cool Summer”)
On the one hand…. i’d be humiliated if I was a parent accompany a child who announced themselves like this, like….. “no, please this is not how you hello”. On the other hand…. this IS Selkie…. she might feel like she has to make a grander entrance than the average kid.
Wait, is this a WET submersible? I hadn’t thought of that, with Pohl talking about conserving air, I was thinking they would be in a pressure vessel; I guess it would be just as easy to have the interior flooded and having Todd and Avery breathing from a tank in the sub. That would also let them do tank-swaps to lengthen their time underwater.
either that or the whole frickin’ SUB is an airlock.
Or it could be the artist doesn’t know exactly how subs work.
Of course, I don’t blame him, since I don’t know much about subs either. The only time I interact with a sub is at a sandwich store XD.
Could probably handwave it away by saying resonance is keeping the water out. 😀
airlock.
Same way torpedos and Missles and Various other exiting entrance methods. Inner door seals closed water gets pumped in outer door opens Something exits outer door closes water gets pumped out inner door stays closed.
It’s a question of whether it’s more akin to the river from “The Martian” the book (distinct airlock) or from the movie (the entire passenger cabin must be depressurized to enter or exit).
presumeably more like the DSRV escape hatch on a US nuclear sub or more likely the pressurized tube as in a torpedo (without the obvious compressed air launch)
There is enough room in there for an airlock. actually, the airlock basically IS a room, or compartment rather, with an inner door and an outer. they don’t have to be on opposite walls.
Guys, I know what an airlock is. Problem is, an airlock has to have enough space to hold an entire person, and this sub isn’t big enough to have one without it sticking out down into the middle of the cabin.
You do realize most subs DON’T have airlocks, right? There is a kind of airlock used for emergencies called an “escape trunk” but it’s not used in a normal situation; it operates manually and you have to make sure to close the outside door or people in the sub are trapped. You normally don’t get out of a submarine underwater.
The only boat in the US Navy that actually has a working airlock is the USS Jimmy Carter, which is a Seawolf-class submarine that is longer than usual due to a “Multi-Mission Platform” housed in the middle of the sub that allows ROVs and divers to exit on underwater missions.
Actually, eyeballing the sub…
If we assume the exit hole is a 2.5 foot wide hatch (which it should be- that’s small but usable by an adult man, and seems in proportion to Selkie in the pic)… then this sub is at least 20 feet long and eight foot high. Assuming Dave got his proportions correctly drawn.
If the vehicle isn’t intended for long term submersion or travel, with the advantage of a *fresh water* lake rather than the nightmare of oceanic travel… you can pack a low power waterlock system into a sub like this.
It might need to surface in order to purge the water from the vessel, but it can be done if you have the desire to do it and fifty or sixty grand to waste.
I assume the military can afford that.
The real question is “why the hell is the hatch on the top instead of the bottom where it’d work a million times better?”
Why its on top easier to float out easier to get out of in case of emergency and easier to get out of when bottoming. Same as in a any submarine. Otherwise youd use a moon pool and wouldn’t bother with a submarine at all youd simply use a diving bell.
Incidentally I just barely fit in the escape hatch of a US sub. but im a fatty mc Fat arse. a fit person in dive gear will fit just fine in a 34 inch diameter 6 foot tall space.
yes 28-34 inches in diameter and about 6 feet tall would be enough for just about any individual person AND scuba gear.
just a tiny bit smaller than a standard mark 48 adcap torpedo
actually… that’s about half the size of a tomahawk cruise missile tube.
*snicker* she sure knows how to make an entrance!
You’re not an angel, Selkie.
Purple girl needs to chill. She’s just a kid.
A kid raised in an entirely foreign culture whose behavior may be here-to-for unprecedented in Sarnothi society. For all we know such behavior may indeed be indicative of some kind of dry air induced madness. Or she could be being sarcastic. Regardless I see no need of “chill”.
And let’s be honest, Selkie is weird even by “surface” standards.
Didn’t really seem sarcastic to me. It’s actually pretty dang rude.
oh, my God, people. She’s EIGHT.
Eight year olds only slightly resemble actual human beings t the BEST of times.
A seven year old at a wedding I was at piped up very loudly and said “Mommy, that doesn’t look like Samantha! (the bride) Samantha doesn’t wear all that makeup!”
To. The. Entire. Church.
Even the ushers stopped ushing to giggle, from the BACK of the church.
That’s little kids for you.
yah, we were eating out on one of those restaurants that had seats on the outside, a parade was going trough the street and my 7 yo was looking at them very interested and exited
then some girls that decided to go with only body paint passed trough
there was no music so everyone could hear whatever she said and she yelled “Daddy are those girls NAKED?!”
I told her “no, they just don’t have a shirt or a bra on”
she looked at them and proclaimed with the sanctity of a 7 year old
“EEEEWWWWWWWWWW”
everyone (even the girls on body paint) laughed
sounds like dragon con.
I love that she ends with the Underdog’s catch phrase. She must have been watching one of those “classic” cartoon channels.
Did Underdog start it or just popularize it? Regardless I kinda feel like its become part of the common vernacular now, I’m pretty sure many who use it have never seen Underdog (at least the original cartoons, though I don’t think many people saw the remake movie either tbh)
So how does one broil anything at the bottom of a lake?
Thermal vents? Sarnothi magic?
Resonance-tech ovens that heat up the water inside it.