Yeah, then they might just think you’re being mean to them. And a kid like Amanda? Oof.
You could make a point of using the weekend for doing some less than fun tasks that need to be done. That might not come off as mean. But also doesn’t connect to what she did, it wouldn’t work as a punishment. (Also, don’t think using those kinds of tasks as punishment is great– just thinking of something that Andi might try, but it’d still really be about her own feelings about being lied to.)
Exactly, like if it makes something you already don’t enjoy into a punishment, and then you want to do it even less on the future. It just might be obvious as a punishment if Andi doesn’t present it that way, which seems to be what she wants– but like you said, defeats the point of a punishment.
If it’s something that’s not necessary too often but nice to have every once in a while, such as very thorough cleaning, it should be fine.
There’s still the risk of associating such tasks to punishment, instead of something that’s just good to be done, but if it’s not presented as a punishemnt… I guess.
Ah, the joy of both parents being on the same page. Once Selkie and Amanda compare notes and find out they both got the same treatment, they’ll know it was a punishment.
All parents (or at least mine did) know the concept/rule of ‘general principle’ (GP) punishment. The kid might be blameless in the current offense punishment is levied for – but there is always something they don’t know about that the kid deserves it for. Also, Todd may not need or use whatever Andi comes up with at this time, but he will eventually
I’d generally agree, but since we have seen the power of manipulation through social media, I can’t help but wonder whether it’d be possible to get the desired effect of punishment (that is, feeling bad you did something) through similar subliminal messaging.
That’d probably need much more than just the parents thinking about it once in a while, though. And even then, there’s a high risk of misunderstanding and getting unexpected reaction since these kinds of things only work on populational level, I suppose.
TL;DR: Agreed, except maybe if you have a statistical level of scale.
Hey, Amanda WAS serious about safety. The fact that it went out the window when she found out about the sparkles doesn’t mean she wasn’t serious about it when she was lying.
The sparkles caused by the devices that are supposed to make Resonance use safe again, remember. They were basically explicitly told that it’s okay to use their powers again.
There’s a difference between punishment, and discipline. Discipline in this case would likely mean sitting down and discussing the issue with Amanda, and giving her better coping mechanisms for the future. And maybe pointing out to her that if she truly feels that she cannot confide in her mom/dad/parents for something this serious, they need to have established a safe third party (which Pohl certainly has proven to be).
Every child should have someone they can confide in when, for whatever reason, they don’t feel safe telling a parent. Or where they can seek advice about how, when, why, and/or whether to tell a parent to begin with. Soften the blow, sometimes. Provide wisdom, other times. There are legitimate reasons one might need adult counsel separate from the parents.
A punishment is pointless if the target doesn’t know it’s a punishment.
Yeah, then they might just think you’re being mean to them. And a kid like Amanda? Oof.
You could make a point of using the weekend for doing some less than fun tasks that need to be done. That might not come off as mean. But also doesn’t connect to what she did, it wouldn’t work as a punishment. (Also, don’t think using those kinds of tasks as punishment is great– just thinking of something that Andi might try, but it’d still really be about her own feelings about being lied to.)
If you use “less than fun tasks that need to be done” as a punishment, then who does those tasks when nobody’s been naughty?
Exactly, like if it makes something you already don’t enjoy into a punishment, and then you want to do it even less on the future. It just might be obvious as a punishment if Andi doesn’t present it that way, which seems to be what she wants– but like you said, defeats the point of a punishment.
*might NOT be obvious as a punishment
A conversation about lying and how Andi will listen if Amanda comes to her about these things could be a reasonable consequence.
If it’s something that’s not necessary too often but nice to have every once in a while, such as very thorough cleaning, it should be fine.
There’s still the risk of associating such tasks to punishment, instead of something that’s just good to be done, but if it’s not presented as a punishemnt… I guess.
Ah, the joy of both parents being on the same page. Once Selkie and Amanda compare notes and find out they both got the same treatment, they’ll know it was a punishment.
Selkie didn’t lie and wouldn’t be punished, though.
All parents (or at least mine did) know the concept/rule of ‘general principle’ (GP) punishment. The kid might be blameless in the current offense punishment is levied for – but there is always something they don’t know about that the kid deserves it for. Also, Todd may not need or use whatever Andi comes up with at this time, but he will eventually
I’d generally agree, but since we have seen the power of manipulation through social media, I can’t help but wonder whether it’d be possible to get the desired effect of punishment (that is, feeling bad you did something) through similar subliminal messaging.
That’d probably need much more than just the parents thinking about it once in a while, though. And even then, there’s a high risk of misunderstanding and getting unexpected reaction since these kinds of things only work on populational level, I suppose.
TL;DR: Agreed, except maybe if you have a statistical level of scale.
Horse poop time!
Hey, Amanda WAS serious about safety. The fact that it went out the window when she found out about the sparkles doesn’t mean she wasn’t serious about it when she was lying.
The sparkles caused by the devices that are supposed to make Resonance use safe again, remember. They were basically explicitly told that it’s okay to use their powers again.
As punishment for lying no desert tonight
as reward for taking safety training seriously Pancakes for dinner
Next time you help them with homework make sure it’s all wrong.
There’s a difference between punishment, and discipline. Discipline in this case would likely mean sitting down and discussing the issue with Amanda, and giving her better coping mechanisms for the future. And maybe pointing out to her that if she truly feels that she cannot confide in her mom/dad/parents for something this serious, they need to have established a safe third party (which Pohl certainly has proven to be).
Every child should have someone they can confide in when, for whatever reason, they don’t feel safe telling a parent. Or where they can seek advice about how, when, why, and/or whether to tell a parent to begin with. Soften the blow, sometimes. Provide wisdom, other times. There are legitimate reasons one might need adult counsel separate from the parents.
Lol. I mean, she did drink alcohol a while ago