I feel for the poor guy! I don’t even like friends getting touchy without permission. If it were someone I had reason to dislike it’d be hard not to pull away instinctively.
Oh come now Todd, Andi touching you doesn’t need to make you look so repulsed. I feel that Andi was merely trying to introduce Todd and assert his role as the father. Plus, she’s known him for so long and some habits just die hard and will take a lot of practice to stop. It seems as though she doesn’t even realize she’s touched him, because it used to be so natural to her.
you would feel comfortable allowing someone that haves betrayed you, manipulated you, outright lied to you, kept your daughter away from you, to suddenly just “touch” you casually whenever she feels like it?
I understand the need of being involved with my kid and her mother (hell, I am a divorced parent and was single dad for 3 years) but I would never permit the relationship with my sons mother to go beyond casual friendship, if only because that would harm my kid more than him knowing outright that there is no chance of us getting back together.
and I personally don’t think Andi haves “the right stuff” (at least for me) to try and build a family with her
Well, when my boyfriend broke up with me it was very hard for me to not just be casual like we had always been. Especially when he outright told me to never speak to him again even though we lived in the same town and attended the same college. Just because he quite literally told me to get the f*** out of his life didn’t suddenly make it easy for me to act as if I didn’t know him or have familiarity with him. Like I said, old habits die hard and sometimes you do things you don’t even REALIZE you’re doing simply because it is second nature. I’m not saying she should touch him so casually without thinking, but I’m damn well not about to demonize her for something she hasn’t intended to do with harm and neither should Todd.
Hell, my ex did some terrible things to me and said some mentally and emotionally crippling things to me, but to this day if he came back into my life and asked me to forgive him, I would do so without a second thought. Would I ever date him again? No, I don’t think I have it in me to do so, but I would not treat him like scum even if he did some pretty awful things to me. Why? Because we had something together at one point in time and I’m not going to act as if I despise him and regret ever knowing him because I don’t. Just because I don’t understand why he did the things he did and even if I still hurt some days and cry over the things he said to me, it doesn’t make it right for me to pretend he was never my friend. Because he WAS my friend and I DID enjoy the good times and I’m not so shallow of a person to forget the good times. And if he asked to be my friend again, I would, because I don’t know the entirety behind his actions and I probably never will so I’ve got NO RIGHT to judge him even if he hurt me.
I’m not a petty fool, I try very hard to move on when people hurt me without giving in and telling myself I need to hate them and think I’ll of them just to move on. You don’t grow as a person like that.
It’s one thing to forgive someone that hurt you badly. It’s quite another to forgive someone who hurt your child (or even want to give them another chance to be part of either of your lives). I can’t even begin to properly explain it except to say it’s like having an aversion to chewing on something that made you violently ill.
Given Todd isn’t calling an attorney and hauling Andi to court for custody…given that Todd is being fairly civilized…is *amazing*. Most people would have a hard time pulling that off.
She only brought Keisha Tony and Sandy. None of the others expressed interest. As for Sandy’s presence… uh… well I may have forgotten to draw her. 😡 Think I can add her in behind Keisha in panel 1.
Nah, nobody’s accidentally married and fathered children with their mother and been blinded because their dad pissed off the gods. Or gotten lost for over a decade for pissing off a god. Or been chained to a rock and suffered mutilation for eternity because they pissed off some gods.
Well, Selkie counts as an offspring of strange parents, especially with Todd being presented (to the audience of a Greek tragedy) as her father (their guess would then be that her mother was a demigod monster of some sort), and with the knowledge of what’s going on in her biological parents’ world, it’s much closer to a Greek tragedy or epic than a soap opera.
Telenovela, maybe, they have much better plots and writing than soap operas.
Same with me. XD And recently I’ve seen a few episodes of Soap with my mother and grandmother, so the whole narrated intro popped into my head. I’m not as familiar with it as someone who’s seen the show more like them, but I can’t help but giggle at the thought of someone rewording it to fit the situation.
Er, Andi, that overly-proud-almost-detached-from-reality huge smile you’re giving when introducing Todd to Lillian, along with the possessive hand on his shoulder, is NOT doing you or anyone else in this situation any favours, and is starting to cross the line into outright creepy.
I think she’s doing a manic, “NO, REALLY, WE’RE ALL FINE HERE, GEE, ISN’T THIS AMUSING HA HA TOTALLY NOT AWKWARD” expression. At least, that’s how I took it.
Dunno if she did it so Todd wouldn’t introduce himself with the relationship; so he wouldn’t feel he had to do it himself; or because somewhere in her mind she would like him to be there to face the music with her… or option C and one of options A and B.
But… “ha ha totally normal here (omg help)” is what I get from the pose and expression.
That’s true… I mean I can kinda get why she might’ve touched his shoulder, old habits die hard and they dated for nine years. It’s probably going to cause a few uncomfortable moments like this as they get used to this new situation… definitely like something straight out of a soap opera like Lillian said.
She still has feelings for Todd. She wants to be with him and really wants the family situation to work out. The second is possible, but the first is not (I hope).
I think that even though she still wants to be with him, she knows he doesn’t want to and it’s just taking her a while to come to terms with that.
I can say this much though, they need to learn how to get along despite all that’s happened. I’m not saying it’ll be easy, but someone (namely Todd, since he’s still very angry from everything) has to be the bigger man and move past it. God knows if my half-brother’s mother was willing to do that, she’d still be in his life and actually know her two grandchildren. Things eventually just became so damn petty between her, my father and my brother that they both cut off ties with her. Despite the fact that they both did this as grown adults, it’s still somewhat similar to this. Todd can’t cut ties with Andi if he wants to be a part of his biological daughter’s life, and if they can’t be civil around each other it will just create a toxic environment and not only affect Amanda, but Selkie as well. I know from experience how toxic things could get, my brother’s mother and my mother never got along well because my mother would stay civil, and my brother’s mother thought my mother was trying to replace her, since my dad had more kids with her and she treated my half-brother like her actual son, not a step-son she only had to love part-time. As a result of her petty jealousy, she was pushed away by my brother and none of us see her anymore, and frankly we’re happy about that.
But again, they have a child together, so they need to be civil in front of Amanda and not talk shit about each other in front of her. That would just make things worse for Amanda’s well-being.
“And stay tuned for our next episode, wherein Tony gets hold of a Grande cinnamon whipped espresso and spends the rest of the night bouncing off of the orphanage walls on…The Young And The Sleepless…” *cue Dramatic Soap Opera Organ Music*
Uhg. After working at a coffee shop the Starbucks lingo drove all of insane because we had city folks coming and using it. Small Medium or Large were the only size words we allowed; all others and we divert the customers attention to a sign the owner made that said “We don’t speak Starshmucks”.
Sorry that’s my rant for the day I promise.
I don’t think Lillian would give Tony the chance to order a medium cinnamon whipped espresso. She knows him too well for that.
Oh, I think she knows (sort of) what’s coming. That’s why she wants to make sure Todd is there with her. She’s hoping that His good History with Selkie will mitigate what’s coming.
I think she’s just trying to get as much story out in the open as possible. She’s fucked up a lot and is trying to fix everything at once, that’s why she doesn’t wait to introduce Todd.
And I mean, this is an entirely reasonable thing to do at this point. Lilian should know they are both responsible for a child, so everything she has to say to Andi, however unflattering, Todd should probably hear too.
Uh who gave up the baby and lied out her butt and is making very bad last minute choices that lead to this? ANDI. Not Todd. Andi. This is Andi’s making it into a soap opera. Not Todd. -___-
I love love love Andi’s derp face in the next to last panel. OHYEAHALSOTHISISAMANDASFATHERANDYOUSHOULDPROBABLYCHEWMEOUTRIGHTINFRONTOFHIMSOMEONEMURDERMEPLEASE
she’s not so bad at this ‘responsible’ thing after all i think :>
Hah
his Face is like ‘ this hand may be removed in 5 seconds’
Great page mate.
I feel for the poor guy! I don’t even like friends getting touchy without permission. If it were someone I had reason to dislike it’d be hard not to pull away instinctively.
Oh come now Todd, Andi touching you doesn’t need to make you look so repulsed. I feel that Andi was merely trying to introduce Todd and assert his role as the father. Plus, she’s known him for so long and some habits just die hard and will take a lot of practice to stop. It seems as though she doesn’t even realize she’s touched him, because it used to be so natural to her.
you would feel comfortable allowing someone that haves betrayed you, manipulated you, outright lied to you, kept your daughter away from you, to suddenly just “touch” you casually whenever she feels like it?
I understand the need of being involved with my kid and her mother (hell, I am a divorced parent and was single dad for 3 years) but I would never permit the relationship with my sons mother to go beyond casual friendship, if only because that would harm my kid more than him knowing outright that there is no chance of us getting back together.
and I personally don’t think Andi haves “the right stuff” (at least for me) to try and build a family with her
Well, when my boyfriend broke up with me it was very hard for me to not just be casual like we had always been. Especially when he outright told me to never speak to him again even though we lived in the same town and attended the same college. Just because he quite literally told me to get the f*** out of his life didn’t suddenly make it easy for me to act as if I didn’t know him or have familiarity with him. Like I said, old habits die hard and sometimes you do things you don’t even REALIZE you’re doing simply because it is second nature. I’m not saying she should touch him so casually without thinking, but I’m damn well not about to demonize her for something she hasn’t intended to do with harm and neither should Todd.
Hell, my ex did some terrible things to me and said some mentally and emotionally crippling things to me, but to this day if he came back into my life and asked me to forgive him, I would do so without a second thought. Would I ever date him again? No, I don’t think I have it in me to do so, but I would not treat him like scum even if he did some pretty awful things to me. Why? Because we had something together at one point in time and I’m not going to act as if I despise him and regret ever knowing him because I don’t. Just because I don’t understand why he did the things he did and even if I still hurt some days and cry over the things he said to me, it doesn’t make it right for me to pretend he was never my friend. Because he WAS my friend and I DID enjoy the good times and I’m not so shallow of a person to forget the good times. And if he asked to be my friend again, I would, because I don’t know the entirety behind his actions and I probably never will so I’ve got NO RIGHT to judge him even if he hurt me.
I’m not a petty fool, I try very hard to move on when people hurt me without giving in and telling myself I need to hate them and think I’ll of them just to move on. You don’t grow as a person like that.
It’s one thing to forgive someone that hurt you badly. It’s quite another to forgive someone who hurt your child (or even want to give them another chance to be part of either of your lives). I can’t even begin to properly explain it except to say it’s like having an aversion to chewing on something that made you violently ill.
Given Todd isn’t calling an attorney and hauling Andi to court for custody…given that Todd is being fairly civilized…is *amazing*. Most people would have a hard time pulling that off.
Hey how about she didn’t ask permission to touch him and it isn’t okay?
Btw Andi looks a tad wall eyed in panel 5.
Yeah, totally agreed. o.o I didn’t quite see it before the colors were up.
Question: where are the rest of the orphans Lillian brought? I know Sandy was there, dunno about George or Wu or anyone else though…
She only brought Keisha Tony and Sandy. None of the others expressed interest. As for Sandy’s presence… uh… well I may have forgotten to draw her. 😡 Think I can add her in behind Keisha in panel 1.
Thanks for the catch!
Ah, not a problem! I tend to pick up on little details like that. 😀
I love Lillian. Succinct summation and immediate grasp of the full scope of the situation.
Less soap opera, more Greek tragedy at this point.
Nah, nobody’s accidentally married and fathered children with their mother and been blinded because their dad pissed off the gods. Or gotten lost for over a decade for pissing off a god. Or been chained to a rock and suffered mutilation for eternity because they pissed off some gods.
Yet, I guess.
Well, Selkie counts as an offspring of strange parents, especially with Todd being presented (to the audience of a Greek tragedy) as her father (their guess would then be that her mother was a demigod monster of some sort), and with the knowledge of what’s going on in her biological parents’ world, it’s much closer to a Greek tragedy or epic than a soap opera.
Telenovela, maybe, they have much better plots and writing than soap operas.
Every time Lillian opens her mouth she just says something that makes me like her more.
Same with me. XD And recently I’ve seen a few episodes of Soap with my mother and grandmother, so the whole narrated intro popped into my head. I’m not as familiar with it as someone who’s seen the show more like them, but I can’t help but giggle at the thought of someone rewording it to fit the situation.
Soap. Yes, Jody has such a great sense of humor, doesn’t he, Danny?
Popcorn is an absorbent food isn’t it?
Lillian’s last line might just be my favorite in the entire comic so far.
Mine, too. Next to “Doctor Terrorhammer, hunleash ze Kraken!” and “Reasons. Escalatingly uncomfortable reasons.”
Er, Andi, that overly-proud-almost-detached-from-reality huge smile you’re giving when introducing Todd to Lillian, along with the possessive hand on his shoulder, is NOT doing you or anyone else in this situation any favours, and is starting to cross the line into outright creepy.
I think she’s doing a manic, “NO, REALLY, WE’RE ALL FINE HERE, GEE, ISN’T THIS AMUSING HA HA TOTALLY NOT AWKWARD” expression. At least, that’s how I took it.
Dunno if she did it so Todd wouldn’t introduce himself with the relationship; so he wouldn’t feel he had to do it himself; or because somewhere in her mind she would like him to be there to face the music with her… or option C and one of options A and B.
But… “ha ha totally normal here (omg help)” is what I get from the pose and expression.
That’s exactly how I read her expression, too.
Same. And I’m guessing Todd’s face is also not because she’s touching him without permission but because THE ENTIRE SITUATION IS KIND OF AWFUL
Andi seems to like making Todd and others uncomfortable as Heck. Does she do that on purpose or something? -____-
I don’t think she’s trying to do that on purpose… but I guess it’s all a matter of different perspectives. To put it rather short, at least…
I don’t have the words in my head at the moment for something other than the simple version…
I get that this might be unintentional. But she needs to work on her tact and timing.
That’s true… I mean I can kinda get why she might’ve touched his shoulder, old habits die hard and they dated for nine years. It’s probably going to cause a few uncomfortable moments like this as they get used to this new situation… definitely like something straight out of a soap opera like Lillian said.
And it’s a bit much. Like she knows he isn’t comfortable with being touched like this. She needs to stop.
She still has feelings for Todd. She wants to be with him and really wants the family situation to work out. The second is possible, but the first is not (I hope).
Me too. She’s not good for him.
I think that even though she still wants to be with him, she knows he doesn’t want to and it’s just taking her a while to come to terms with that.
I can say this much though, they need to learn how to get along despite all that’s happened. I’m not saying it’ll be easy, but someone (namely Todd, since he’s still very angry from everything) has to be the bigger man and move past it. God knows if my half-brother’s mother was willing to do that, she’d still be in his life and actually know her two grandchildren. Things eventually just became so damn petty between her, my father and my brother that they both cut off ties with her. Despite the fact that they both did this as grown adults, it’s still somewhat similar to this. Todd can’t cut ties with Andi if he wants to be a part of his biological daughter’s life, and if they can’t be civil around each other it will just create a toxic environment and not only affect Amanda, but Selkie as well. I know from experience how toxic things could get, my brother’s mother and my mother never got along well because my mother would stay civil, and my brother’s mother thought my mother was trying to replace her, since my dad had more kids with her and she treated my half-brother like her actual son, not a step-son she only had to love part-time. As a result of her petty jealousy, she was pushed away by my brother and none of us see her anymore, and frankly we’re happy about that.
But again, they have a child together, so they need to be civil in front of Amanda and not talk shit about each other in front of her. That would just make things worse for Amanda’s well-being.
That’s just my experience and two cents.
“This is just like when I worked for Aaron Spelling in the early 90s.”
“And stay tuned for our next episode, wherein Tony gets hold of a Grande cinnamon whipped espresso and spends the rest of the night bouncing off of the orphanage walls on…The Young And The Sleepless…” *cue Dramatic Soap Opera Organ Music*
Uhg. After working at a coffee shop the Starbucks lingo drove all of insane because we had city folks coming and using it. Small Medium or Large were the only size words we allowed; all others and we divert the customers attention to a sign the owner made that said “We don’t speak Starshmucks”.
Sorry that’s my rant for the day I promise.
I don’t think Lillian would give Tony the chance to order a medium cinnamon whipped espresso. She knows him too well for that.
Who says that she *let* him order it? The Narrator simply says “gets hold of”. What makes you think he does so legitimately?
Andi’s so excited to share her nees about Tod she doesn’t seem to realize she’s about to be told off by Lillian.
Oh, I think she knows (sort of) what’s coming. That’s why she wants to make sure Todd is there with her. She’s hoping that His good History with Selkie will mitigate what’s coming.
I think she’s just trying to get as much story out in the open as possible. She’s fucked up a lot and is trying to fix everything at once, that’s why she doesn’t wait to introduce Todd.
And I mean, this is an entirely reasonable thing to do at this point. Lilian should know they are both responsible for a child, so everything she has to say to Andi, however unflattering, Todd should probably hear too.
Don’t feel bad, Lillian. Technically, the “soap opera” is all Dave’s fault. 😉
Uh who gave up the baby and lied out her butt and is making very bad last minute choices that lead to this? ANDI. Not Todd. Andi. This is Andi’s making it into a soap opera. Not Todd. -___-
Hahaha I think “Lady Obvious” mixed up an “obvious” name.. XD
<misread the name mentioned on accident and will apologize to MadTinkerer for that. -__-
Heh heh, yes, it is… Like those times when the characters start arguing with the Narrator… or the Artist.
Like Deadpool sometimes does?
“What fourth wall?”
Lillian’s lampshading is the highlight of my day so far XD
This would be better if ALL THE GIRLS FRIENDS weren’t WITHIN EARSHOT!! *facepalm*
But all the friends already know about the issues, so they won’t be surprised by a comment like that.
They may know about some of it but it doesn’t mean that it’s not going to create social cannon fodder.
Oh, Lillian. Stay wonderful.
You also created a wonderful webcomic, lady! (the melodramatic soap opera is in the comments)
Hmmmm… Is Lillian really Dave’s voice? 8)
I love love love Andi’s derp face in the next to last panel. OHYEAHALSOTHISISAMANDASFATHERANDYOUSHOULDPROBABLYCHEWMEOUTRIGHTINFRONTOFHIMSOMEONEMURDERMEPLEASE
she’s not so bad at this ‘responsible’ thing after all i think :>
ok this did not work as well as i hoped
OH-YEAH-ALSO-THIS-IS-AMANDAS-FATHER-AND-YOU-SHOULD-PROBABLY-CHEW-ME-OUT-RIGHT-IN-FRONT-OF-HIM-SOMEONE-MURDER-ME-PLEASE
YES, LOOK WHAT YOU DID
“I’ve created a soap opera” girl, you don’t even know…