Intelligence… yeah, I’ll give you that. Courage? Well, she’s not a complete coward. Finding her daughter and all, standing up to her mother, and so on, requires a certain amount of spine. Morals… Umm, yeah, you’ve lost me. She’s made multiple huge mistakes, but where exactly are the signs of her having her heart in the wrong place? What definition of morals are we using?
I’d say the whole lying about the death of a child to the other parent and then continuing to have a relationship with that person for YEARS backs up the low morals statement.
My definition of low morals here (and please correct me if it’s not what you meant kitenkaiba) Is that you don’t lie, continuously, especially to someone you profess to love and want to share a life with.
She was a frightened teenager who’d just been convinced by her mother to sign away her parental rights, and Todd, by virtue of not being her husband, would have had a tough time trying to get legal guardianship even if he’d tried.
Plus, look at it this way – if not for that lie, he’d never have adopted Selkie.
the frightened teenager excuse (not even a valid excuse in my opinion since teenagers can often be far more mature and responsible then there parents) runs out once she is no longer a teenager. They were together for 7 years after and she said nothing even when the topic of having a kid came up again.
The worst part of it is the lie wasn’t even needed. Had she talk to Todd about it instead of letting him go off a rainbow daydream they may have come to agreement on adoption given Todds history.
Agreed – he’s matured a lot, but as a teen, he was EXTREMELY hyped about the idea of having a child, so it’s likely he would have ignored potential long-term costs associated with raising one.
Dave> Todd looks like Agent Brown in the last panel, not for the hair cut but for the irate face! Yeesh! Is he really that mad, Dave? I know at Andi but of the situation too or just her?
Seems to me that there are few, if any, parents commenting on this comic.
Imagine, if you will, the following scenario. Todd is the single father of two daughters. Andi is his brand new girlfriend, who does not know either girl well. Read this strip. It works perfectly.
Andi – you didn’t come right out. Is there something wrong?
Todd – just a parent/teacher conference
Amanda – aha, I knew it. What did jerk-face do?
Todd – I can’t believe you actually insulted your sister in front of me.
Andi – That’s an insult? I thought it was a loving sisterly nickname.
Selkie – Hell no!!
Andi – Amanda, why are you insulting your sister?
Amanda – She’s gross and I hate her
Selkie – Well, you’re mean and ugly
And poor old Todd, standing there, pinching the bridge of his nose, trying (most likely in vain) to stave off yet ANOTHER migraine, says, “Remember. I TOLD YOU they hate each other”.
That’s not anger. That’s Frustrated Father Face. It starts about the age of three, and lasts until they leave home.
Given how insulting nicknames can be perceived? I mean, it’s a fair bet. Girls sometimes great each other as bitch and act like it’s totally natural. I’ve heard some really out there nicknames. Once a group of girls said, “Nappy Mama” to their black friend with frizzy hair and she just laughed.
Really, you just don’t know until you’re told or you ask if it’s a pet name or what.
True, and do you notice how Andi called her on the carpet IMMEDIATELY after finding out it was NOT an inside joke like she originally thought. now, I’ll grant you that it’s not a Gandalf the Grey, overwhelming “YOU SHALL NOT PASS!” kind of stop to that type of behavior, but Andi isn’t going along with it EITHER… it’s a WIP, like any kids are.
(Sits, breaks out popcorn) So, are you for Butter, Or Salt, or Butter And Salt, or Parmesan, brewers yeast, … I’m for light on the butter, light on the Parmesan. This is going to be s great show!! In the trailers I heard the adventure would start with selecting a restaurant, … My newspaper gave it three thumbs up!
Oh, thank you. So many people here seem to be forgetting that Amanda’s a KID and Andi has NO perspective or other knowledge about Selkie. Todd knows that calling Selkie a fish borders on ethnic slur, Andi has no reason to, and Amanda herself probably has no idea what a “slur” is and “just” views it as an insulting nickname.
Andi’s acting understandably here. Curious about a problem Todd’s daughter Selkie may be having and wondering if that will have an impact on the hoped for meetup tonight, then immediately calling out Amanda on her behavior upon learning that Fish-face isn’t the benign nickname it was thought.
Amanda is an emotionally damaged child who’s had a BAD couple of days. She’s acting out. We’ve seen that she’s capable of more, but right now she’s a hurt child lashing out at everyone. She’s EIGHT. Eight year olds can be little shits even on good days. Some of the adults here could use a step back before giving up on Amanda.
It’s easy to judge characters based on the entire situation rather than the part they’re aware of. Like, getting mad at them for cooperating with the bad guy when they’re not even aware a bad guy exists. Or, well, there’s this scene in Trigun where a bad guy (who is also a child) holds the main character and two others at gunpoint, and a fourth character, on another roof, doesn’t see that the main character has almost talked the bad guy down. The fourth character shoots the bad guy — and then the entire cast, including the fourth character, judge the fourth character as a horrible person for having shot a bad guy to save his friends, as if he should’ve known the bad guy was ready to give up.
You can’t analyze the merit of a character’s decisions and actions without understanding what they understood at the time they decided or acted.
You’re overlooking the fact that Amanda *is* in fact an unlikeable little shit even on her “best” days and that the closest thing to a positive emotion most people have toward her is pity for what happened to her in the past — an emotion that tends to evaporate as they lose patience with the insufferable horror she is in the *present*.
Todd, word of advice: Take Selkie and *walk away*. “We’ll see you both tonight, and I hope I can trust you’ll have explained to Amanda why she should be polite to *my daughter*?”
In the last panel it looks like Andi has a lemon or something in her mouth. XD At least from the side. I know it’s her bang, but it just sorta reminded me of how people use an orange slice to make it look like they have all orange teeth when they smile.
Simple. See my above comment. In fact, when I was in middle school I was rather chubby and my friend would call me Tubba Blubba after Paper Mario because we both liked the game so much. It didn’t bother me at all. I thought it was hilarious, but anybody else would think he was tormenting me.
To this day, my friends call me “Troll” because I’m big, tall, and muscular and could get hit by a tank and damage the tank. Anyone hearing the name Troll might think I was being insulted. I also got called by a vietnam vet “B.U.F.” which stands for Big Ugly Fucker. Because I reminded him of a soldier who saved his life and went by that name. Both times were all in affection but you’d never guess if you were on the outside looking in. Thus is the way nicknames go sometimes.
Also take in consideration that Dave has to put expressions on the faces of people saying the insults/nicknames in order to show the meaning behind it. IRL (or in the actual situation they’re in) you’d have to derive that vital piece of information from the tone of voice. And that’s a slippery slope. Especially when people can look genuinely cheerful while they call someone a troll, but can stab them deep with the ‘right’ tone of voice.
You can hear the difference between two friends teasing each other and one goes jokingly “Oh, you bitch!” and when said bitch actually crosses a line and she gets a darker “Oh, you bitch!”
But mostly those differences are more subtle. If you don’t know your kid yet, and Amanda has been calling Selkie a Fish-Face for quite a while, I can see why Andi would think it’s a nickname that Selkie agreed on. For Amanda it’s not even an insult anymore, just the only way to call Selkie.
Families have nicknames. Just that simple. I got off lightly, my brother couldn’t say my name so I got Ya-Ya. Brother was Bobo or Jerm, the Worm. Next brother was Weasel. Next brother was Nik-a-bob slob. Next brother was Beetle or Beagle. And my sister? Started out Dodo thanks to a little brother who couldn’t say Jo and morphed to Toad. Or Odious Toadious, when we were particularly irked.
She’s 30 and I still have to consciously think to not call her Toad in company who doesn’t know us. But that’s probably why she tries so hard to keep her son’s nickname to something innocuous like little man/mano…although I still call him Monkey.
But Andi knows Amanda and Selkie aren’t friends. At least she should know after she saw how they treat each other (several times). Plus Todd told her they hate each other and Selkie told her she and Amanda aren’t friends (see Page 619).
(Sorry for the bad English, no native speaker here).
Maybe not in our culture but I was shocked to hear my sociology professor’s relatives often referred to him as “that little sh*t” in an affectionate way. Yeah… Not my thing either.
Sally> I agree. Andi seems to hear what she wants maybe?
My nephew’s relative calls him something like “poopy diaper head” and he seems to enjoy that. We’ve got “bonehead” and “smeghead” between my brothers and I, to varying levels of enjoyment. Different people have different reactions to insulting terms, and it’s context-dependent… and sometimes you even take a term that’s used to bully you and turn it around to be a term you control, like Americans adopting “Yankee,” LGBTQ people adopting “Queer,” and Black people adopting forms of the N-word.
Or like how my nephews and nieces and I have developed a ritual based on the movie The Princess Bride, where once they’re in bed and I’m ready to go do my own thing, I go “Good night. I’ll most likely kill you in the morning” and they reply (a thing they came up with themselves) “Not if I kill you first!”
Eh, I feel like fish-people is a pretty spot on description of Sarnothi, especially if someone doesn’t know the name of their species. Amanda using it with bad intent even after she was told not to is wrong, I could easily see fishface work as a nick name if Selkie didn’t mind it.
I called my daughter “snot face” and my elder son “stinku-butt” , my youngest was “Rain Man”. With my daughter, I grew up hearing that praising a child’s looks would bring the attention of the fae(seriously, my Scottish grandmother was born in 1892 and was still wearing a corset when she died in the 1970s. We got the Victorian superstition old school).
For my kids it was just another term of endearment.
Also, Todd, she wasn’t just casually insulting Selkie to your face. She was eagerly ready to hear about Selkie being punished and was already gloating in anticipation.
Amanda, I’m going to go out and say it: You are an *awful* person, well beyond *any* kind of excuses due to your admittedly crappy childhood.
Andi, you’re a spineless idiot, your daughter’s a brat of the first order and you’re going to have to put on your big girl pants and lay down some ground rules for behavior before this evening’s meeting, or it’ll likely be the *last* time Todd talks to either of you.
I don’t believe you are correct about Todd. This is the first genetically tied relationship in his family. Everybody else is just ‘Kin by Consent,’ Mandy is kin by blood; he’ll be fascinated, he can’t look away. Like picking at a scab, then letting it heal, then picking again, Todd won’t Abe able to leave Mandy alone. She’ “his” blood kin, maybe not his daughter, but he’ll be addicted. I just think he will hold Selkie tighter to him for he pain Mandy causes.
I’d be inclined to think it’d be the other way around — that, if anything, seeing how awful Amanda is reinforces his belief that family’s who you choose, not who you happen to be genetically related to.
… Also, *still* predicting that Amanda is at some point going to shout “But she isn’t your daughter, I’M YOUR DAUGHTER!” and Todd’s response will be to tell Andi to take Amanda and get the fuck out, and *maybe* he’ll call to talk some other time.
For some reason I initially read that as Andy shouting I’m your daughter. I went into some weird Maury Povich places. “Todd, you are not the daughter!” And then everyone getting awfully confused by the whole deal.
She’s not hostile to Todd, she’s hostile to Selkie. Because she’s an awful and highly self-centered little brat and she hates Selkie for
1) being strange
2) not completely wilting every time Amanda bullies her or calls her names
3) getting adopted before she did
4) getting adopted by *her* rightful father.
Especially the last one I think she considers unforgivable at this point.
Not necessarily aimed at anyone in the strip but, reading it, I laughed to myself and said, “Pile of dumb:)” …perhaps referring to all of them and their current antisocial hijinks LOL. It’s like the train wreck’s result = pile of dumb. Or maybe that’s just funny to me. I do have a weird sense of humor, rofl.
Looking at the girls’ expressions in panel 2, and Amanda’s eager pounce in panel 3, it’s pretty clear what the conversation between them must have been while Todd was in talking with Mina.
“Haha, you’re in TROUBLE, Fish-face.”
“Ams not!”
“Are too. Teacher’s telling your Dad ALLLL about it right now.”
“LIARS! Yous ares SO stupids.”
… Yeah Andi’s intelligence is as low as her courage and morals.
Intelligence… yeah, I’ll give you that. Courage? Well, she’s not a complete coward. Finding her daughter and all, standing up to her mother, and so on, requires a certain amount of spine. Morals… Umm, yeah, you’ve lost me. She’s made multiple huge mistakes, but where exactly are the signs of her having her heart in the wrong place? What definition of morals are we using?
I’d say the whole lying about the death of a child to the other parent and then continuing to have a relationship with that person for YEARS backs up the low morals statement.
My definition of low morals here (and please correct me if it’s not what you meant kitenkaiba) Is that you don’t lie, continuously, especially to someone you profess to love and want to share a life with.
She was a frightened teenager who’d just been convinced by her mother to sign away her parental rights, and Todd, by virtue of not being her husband, would have had a tough time trying to get legal guardianship even if he’d tried.
Plus, look at it this way – if not for that lie, he’d never have adopted Selkie.
the frightened teenager excuse (not even a valid excuse in my opinion since teenagers can often be far more mature and responsible then there parents) runs out once she is no longer a teenager. They were together for 7 years after and she said nothing even when the topic of having a kid came up again.
The worst part of it is the lie wasn’t even needed. Had she talk to Todd about it instead of letting him go off a rainbow daydream they may have come to agreement on adoption given Todds history.
I really doubt it considering how much he wanted the kid.
Agreed – he’s matured a lot, but as a teen, he was EXTREMELY hyped about the idea of having a child, so it’s likely he would have ignored potential long-term costs associated with raising one.
Then he could have kept Amanda himself, even if he hadn’t been ready to be a single dad he had a caring family to back him up.
I love Andies immidiate reaction! She’s in for a fun ride huh ? and Tods face in panel 4 is perfect!
Dave> Todd looks like Agent Brown in the last panel, not for the hair cut but for the irate face! Yeesh! Is he really that mad, Dave? I know at Andi but of the situation too or just her?
Kit> I second your statement:)
Seems to me that there are few, if any, parents commenting on this comic.
Imagine, if you will, the following scenario. Todd is the single father of two daughters. Andi is his brand new girlfriend, who does not know either girl well. Read this strip. It works perfectly.
Andi – you didn’t come right out. Is there something wrong?
Todd – just a parent/teacher conference
Amanda – aha, I knew it. What did jerk-face do?
Todd – I can’t believe you actually insulted your sister in front of me.
Andi – That’s an insult? I thought it was a loving sisterly nickname.
Selkie – Hell no!!
Andi – Amanda, why are you insulting your sister?
Amanda – She’s gross and I hate her
Selkie – Well, you’re mean and ugly
And poor old Todd, standing there, pinching the bridge of his nose, trying (most likely in vain) to stave off yet ANOTHER migraine, says, “Remember. I TOLD YOU they hate each other”.
That’s not anger. That’s Frustrated Father Face. It starts about the age of three, and lasts until they leave home.
Given how insulting nicknames can be perceived? I mean, it’s a fair bet. Girls sometimes great each other as bitch and act like it’s totally natural. I’ve heard some really out there nicknames. Once a group of girls said, “Nappy Mama” to their black friend with frizzy hair and she just laughed.
Really, you just don’t know until you’re told or you ask if it’s a pet name or what.
True, and do you notice how Andi called her on the carpet IMMEDIATELY after finding out it was NOT an inside joke like she originally thought. now, I’ll grant you that it’s not a Gandalf the Grey, overwhelming “YOU SHALL NOT PASS!” kind of stop to that type of behavior, but Andi isn’t going along with it EITHER… it’s a WIP, like any kids are.
THIS IS GOING TO BE FUN AND I AM HERE FOR THIS *takes out popcorn*
(Sits, breaks out popcorn) So, are you for Butter, Or Salt, or Butter And Salt, or Parmesan, brewers yeast, … I’m for light on the butter, light on the Parmesan. This is going to be s great show!! In the trailers I heard the adventure would start with selecting a restaurant, … My newspaper gave it three thumbs up!
I’m sure that the “Confusion Corner” over in Wapsi Square will be glad to deliver… so go ahead and order whatever you want…
Oh, thank you. So many people here seem to be forgetting that Amanda’s a KID and Andi has NO perspective or other knowledge about Selkie. Todd knows that calling Selkie a fish borders on ethnic slur, Andi has no reason to, and Amanda herself probably has no idea what a “slur” is and “just” views it as an insulting nickname.
Andi’s acting understandably here. Curious about a problem Todd’s daughter Selkie may be having and wondering if that will have an impact on the hoped for meetup tonight, then immediately calling out Amanda on her behavior upon learning that Fish-face isn’t the benign nickname it was thought.
Amanda is an emotionally damaged child who’s had a BAD couple of days. She’s acting out. We’ve seen that she’s capable of more, but right now she’s a hurt child lashing out at everyone. She’s EIGHT. Eight year olds can be little shits even on good days. Some of the adults here could use a step back before giving up on Amanda.
It’s easy to judge characters based on the entire situation rather than the part they’re aware of. Like, getting mad at them for cooperating with the bad guy when they’re not even aware a bad guy exists. Or, well, there’s this scene in Trigun where a bad guy (who is also a child) holds the main character and two others at gunpoint, and a fourth character, on another roof, doesn’t see that the main character has almost talked the bad guy down. The fourth character shoots the bad guy — and then the entire cast, including the fourth character, judge the fourth character as a horrible person for having shot a bad guy to save his friends, as if he should’ve known the bad guy was ready to give up.
You can’t analyze the merit of a character’s decisions and actions without understanding what they understood at the time they decided or acted.
You’re overlooking the fact that Amanda *is* in fact an unlikeable little shit even on her “best” days and that the closest thing to a positive emotion most people have toward her is pity for what happened to her in the past — an emotion that tends to evaporate as they lose patience with the insufferable horror she is in the *present*.
Todd, word of advice: Take Selkie and *walk away*. “We’ll see you both tonight, and I hope I can trust you’ll have explained to Amanda why she should be polite to *my daughter*?”
In the last panel it looks like Andi has a lemon or something in her mouth. XD At least from the side. I know it’s her bang, but it just sorta reminded me of how people use an orange slice to make it look like they have all orange teeth when they smile.
“Nickname”? :/ Andi. How could something so insulting be a nickname?
Simple. See my above comment. In fact, when I was in middle school I was rather chubby and my friend would call me Tubba Blubba after Paper Mario because we both liked the game so much. It didn’t bother me at all. I thought it was hilarious, but anybody else would think he was tormenting me.
To this day, my friends call me “Troll” because I’m big, tall, and muscular and could get hit by a tank and damage the tank. Anyone hearing the name Troll might think I was being insulted. I also got called by a vietnam vet “B.U.F.” which stands for Big Ugly Fucker. Because I reminded him of a soldier who saved his life and went by that name. Both times were all in affection but you’d never guess if you were on the outside looking in. Thus is the way nicknames go sometimes.
Also take in consideration that Dave has to put expressions on the faces of people saying the insults/nicknames in order to show the meaning behind it. IRL (or in the actual situation they’re in) you’d have to derive that vital piece of information from the tone of voice. And that’s a slippery slope. Especially when people can look genuinely cheerful while they call someone a troll, but can stab them deep with the ‘right’ tone of voice.
You can hear the difference between two friends teasing each other and one goes jokingly “Oh, you bitch!” and when said bitch actually crosses a line and she gets a darker “Oh, you bitch!”
But mostly those differences are more subtle. If you don’t know your kid yet, and Amanda has been calling Selkie a Fish-Face for quite a while, I can see why Andi would think it’s a nickname that Selkie agreed on. For Amanda it’s not even an insult anymore, just the only way to call Selkie.
Families have nicknames. Just that simple. I got off lightly, my brother couldn’t say my name so I got Ya-Ya. Brother was Bobo or Jerm, the Worm. Next brother was Weasel. Next brother was Nik-a-bob slob. Next brother was Beetle or Beagle. And my sister? Started out Dodo thanks to a little brother who couldn’t say Jo and morphed to Toad. Or Odious Toadious, when we were particularly irked.
She’s 30 and I still have to consciously think to not call her Toad in company who doesn’t know us. But that’s probably why she tries so hard to keep her son’s nickname to something innocuous like little man/mano…although I still call him Monkey.
But yes, annoying nicknames is what sibs do.
But Andi knows Amanda and Selkie aren’t friends. At least she should know after she saw how they treat each other (several times). Plus Todd told her they hate each other and Selkie told her she and Amanda aren’t friends (see Page 619).
(Sorry for the bad English, no native speaker here).
Andi is probably still wearing her “Positive Glasses™”
Maybe not in our culture but I was shocked to hear my sociology professor’s relatives often referred to him as “that little sh*t” in an affectionate way. Yeah… Not my thing either.
Sally> I agree. Andi seems to hear what she wants maybe?
My nephew’s relative calls him something like “poopy diaper head” and he seems to enjoy that. We’ve got “bonehead” and “smeghead” between my brothers and I, to varying levels of enjoyment. Different people have different reactions to insulting terms, and it’s context-dependent… and sometimes you even take a term that’s used to bully you and turn it around to be a term you control, like Americans adopting “Yankee,” LGBTQ people adopting “Queer,” and Black people adopting forms of the N-word.
Or like how my nephews and nieces and I have developed a ritual based on the movie The Princess Bride, where once they’re in bed and I’m ready to go do my own thing, I go “Good night. I’ll most likely kill you in the morning” and they reply (a thing they came up with themselves) “Not if I kill you first!”
Eh, I feel like fish-people is a pretty spot on description of Sarnothi, especially if someone doesn’t know the name of their species. Amanda using it with bad intent even after she was told not to is wrong, I could easily see fishface work as a nick name if Selkie didn’t mind it.
She eats fish. Being compared to prey would seem like an insult. Not a compliment.
I called my daughter “snot face” and my elder son “stinku-butt” , my youngest was “Rain Man”. With my daughter, I grew up hearing that praising a child’s looks would bring the attention of the fae(seriously, my Scottish grandmother was born in 1892 and was still wearing a corset when she died in the 1970s. We got the Victorian superstition old school).
For my kids it was just another term of endearment.
But spiders are cute!
Also, Todd, she wasn’t just casually insulting Selkie to your face. She was eagerly ready to hear about Selkie being punished and was already gloating in anticipation.
Amanda, I’m going to go out and say it: You are an *awful* person, well beyond *any* kind of excuses due to your admittedly crappy childhood.
Andi, you’re a spineless idiot, your daughter’s a brat of the first order and you’re going to have to put on your big girl pants and lay down some ground rules for behavior before this evening’s meeting, or it’ll likely be the *last* time Todd talks to either of you.
I don’t believe you are correct about Todd. This is the first genetically tied relationship in his family. Everybody else is just ‘Kin by Consent,’ Mandy is kin by blood; he’ll be fascinated, he can’t look away. Like picking at a scab, then letting it heal, then picking again, Todd won’t Abe able to leave Mandy alone. She’ “his” blood kin, maybe not his daughter, but he’ll be addicted. I just think he will hold Selkie tighter to him for he pain Mandy causes.
I’d be inclined to think it’d be the other way around — that, if anything, seeing how awful Amanda is reinforces his belief that family’s who you choose, not who you happen to be genetically related to.
… Also, *still* predicting that Amanda is at some point going to shout “But she isn’t your daughter, I’M YOUR DAUGHTER!” and Todd’s response will be to tell Andi to take Amanda and get the fuck out, and *maybe* he’ll call to talk some other time.
For some reason I initially read that as Andy shouting I’m your daughter. I went into some weird Maury Povich places. “Todd, you are not the daughter!” And then everyone getting awfully confused by the whole deal.
Wow, I wonder what happened, because Amanda went from sad “Are you really my dad?” to hostile.
She’s not hostile to Todd, she’s hostile to Selkie. Because she’s an awful and highly self-centered little brat and she hates Selkie for
1) being strange
2) not completely wilting every time Amanda bullies her or calls her names
3) getting adopted before she did
4) getting adopted by *her* rightful father.
Especially the last one I think she considers unforgivable at this point.
AAAND she hates Selkie for taking all of the adult attention at the Orphanage when she was returned from that family that had adopted her.
Cause, ya know, at that moment in time Selkie couldn’t speak english and they didn’t know she was an obligate carnivore.
Did you copy and paste Selkie from the next to last to the last panel?
Nope, just the same posture
Not necessarily aimed at anyone in the strip but, reading it, I laughed to myself and said, “Pile of dumb:)” …perhaps referring to all of them and their current antisocial hijinks LOL. It’s like the train wreck’s result = pile of dumb. Or maybe that’s just funny to me. I do have a weird sense of humor, rofl.
And I’m back to wanting to throttle Amanda and throw her in a lake again. Oh well, it was good while it lasted.
Looking at the girls’ expressions in panel 2, and Amanda’s eager pounce in panel 3, it’s pretty clear what the conversation between them must have been while Todd was in talking with Mina.
“Haha, you’re in TROUBLE, Fish-face.”
“Ams not!”
“Are too. Teacher’s telling your Dad ALLLL about it right now.”
“LIARS! Yous ares SO stupids.”
Time for Mina to poke her head out, say, “No yelling in the halls!” and shoo them all out of the building?
Speaking of… I hope this doesn’t stop them from eventually getting together.
Either her or the new Principle…