Lets dance.
The green-and-black tool in panel 2 is a combination filter and aerator. The "kelp leaves" Tai Li's egg was sitting in are actually an aesthetic camouflage for the parts that extend into the tank itself.
Lets dance.
The Sarnothi green magic is so mysterious that I really hope we finally get a little info. Ha! Love Selkie’s little eyes. Kid needs to learn about privacy. Maybe growing up in the orphanage with probably very little skewed her a bit there. Or just the pull of “people like me”…
Welp. This is going to be a sh-t storm in a few minutes.
The thing that worries me is not the fact that Selkie discovers she has the ability to use crazy green techno magic, but rather that she’s going to attempt to use it to hurt Amanda once she figures out how it works.
Seriously, what is it with your interpretations here? I have refrained from commenting before on your statements but I’m well past baffled and that comment just put me past my incredulous limit. Vindictive, sneaky…you cast aspersions on Selkie’s character way past anything that justifies it, but defend Amanda to high heaven and now this gem?
Selkie has fangs, claws, poisonous spit, and is a predator. She doesn’t need green magic to hurt someone. She could hurt people plenty any time she wants and despite being plenty provoked never has, not even when Truck was smashing her again at the wall while she was slowly freezing to death. Not in the orphanage, not in the classroom, not on the playground. She didn’t even freaking tattle to her dad about her new sister still treating her badly, that was pulled out of her by grandma!
The one who has physically, emotionally, verbally, and repeatedly lashed out and hurt people who have done her no harm is AMANDA. Where on Earth are you seeing this from Selkie?
*standing ovation*
I agree with you, but I can see her playing with the technology/magic trying to figure it out and hoping it will help her become a mad scientist quicker that she hurts herself in the process. That I do see as she is a smart child and curiosity is a hallmark of intelligence.
Thank you! You’ve said everything I have ever wanted to say in regards to SpringPops comments about Selkie. He’s always willing to throw her under the bus in regards to Amanda. It’s as if Amanda gets a free pass to be an argumentative little racist/(specist?), but if Selkie does anything innocuous, it will be blown out of proportion.
Selkie already knows she has venomous saliva and hasn’t tried to use it to hurt Amanda. So there’s that.
Also, if it’s technology… probably using it at all takes training. (And I’m guessing what we’ve seen so far would be more like household appliances than weapons.)
Yeah, but… you can kill people with toasters and/or spoons. The nonviolent purpose doesn’t mean you can’t hurt yourself/others by using it improperly (intentionally or otherwise). If Selkie picks up a strange device she doesn’t understand and “uses” it, accidental disaster is not unexpected, although it will probably be minor.
But the matter is not about accidental damage. It’s about if Selkie would use her abilities and this new found toy to cause damage on purpose. Which is not in her character.
I don’t think Selkie would try to intentionally hurt Amanda with it (just way outside her character). However, I can see her accidentally harming one of her friends while trying to show off with her new found ability (provided she learns to use it).
I’ve got to agree with Leoness, here. You *constantly* give lengthy explanations for why Amanda isn’t a horrid little shit, she’s just hurting and misunderstood and all she needs is a bit of love, but you’re ready to accuse Selkie of intending assault when she hasn’t done anything yet.
What, exactly, is your problem with Selkie? And please take some time to ponder your answer to make sure it isn’t “I identify strongly with Amanda, so in order to justify her actions I have to make Selkie the bad guy.”
Yeah, I hate it when people do that. You can highly identify with someone without making someone else out to be the bad guy. I mean I can, I identify with Amanda strongly, due to all the rage in my heart that I could let loose and hurt people with. Which is why I keep saying she deserves a fair shake and understanding. But not at the cost of Selkie. I just don’t get it.
It’s not magic, any of you dolts should have understood that it’s technology by now. Even the equipment under the tank and the bracelet looks like parts of a motherboard.
dolts? that’s sort of mean. until it’s confirmed, everything is up to interpretation.
Could it not be both? Magical technology.
The difference between scifi and fantasy is pretty much just whether you have a superheated plasma projector powered by a quantun fluctuation mass drive or a wand of fireballs powered with magic crystals from the elemental plane of fire. Same difference though.
So far the green energy seems like something the sarnothi themselves project or generate, with the machines and tools just something through which they focus these innate powers. Though I expect we’ll know more soon for now magic is as good as a term for this as alien technology.
The generally accepted distinction between science and magic is whether the user’s will effects the process. Typically the caster will also either have internal mana or draw external mana through themselves. The important part is that the intent and will of the caster is an inextricable part of the process. Philosophically, it could be said that magic is a celebration and/or exaggeration of the power of thinking beings.
Science, by contrast, doesn’t care if you’re alive or can think. It is a collection of cause->effect chains that happen regardless that you happened to trigger by pressing a button or something. Improper arguments exist that try to confuse science and magic in the case of technology that can read minds as a control device, failing to realize that thought-interface is a kind of “pressing a button or something” and is entirely removable from the process.
In this comic, I certainly got a “magic” vibe just as you did from the same understanding that the energy that fuels the device was coming *from* the Sarnothi. Of course, by nature of a device existing at all it is also technology, because that’s what “device” means. …I don’t know a more polite way to phrase that, sorry.
That’s an interesting distinction, and a useful one. I think it’s spot-on… though I can quickly think of cases that blur the lines, which are sort of like using magic on/through a technology item, or using technology to read magical power and such.
I also find that there are two general categories of powers (magic and superpowers), such that Dr. Strange using magic puts him weirdly outside the other heroes in the Marvel universe — superpowers just ARE, and can’t necessarily be explained (Storm’s power over weather?), but are distinct from “magic.”
John Granger, in his series of books analyzing Harry Potter, points out that magic also splits into two categories, incantational and invocational. Incantations (based on the root for “sing” if I recall) are basically “say/will something and it happens” — the stuff most of us think of as magic, and which has a long literary tradition. It also fits with magical items where you hold it and say a word or will an effect and it happens. These are often, but not always, in the same form every time (say “expelliarmus” and your opponent gets disarmed).
Invocational magic is calling up supernatural entities and forcing them to do your will — the stuff most cultures think of as “occult.” In fact, Granger points out (and I don’t know if he is correct or not) that all major religions warn against involvement in the occult, because the prominent religions believe it exists and that it’s dangerous. The idea that a human could force a much more powerful being to serve the human through some weird ritual is laughable, and that some people think they’re actually doing this is scary.
The two major series I know of that use invocational magic are Buffy the Vampire Slayer, where the negative consequences of using this kind of magic are occasionally brought into focus, and The Slayers, where Lina calls upon the power of evil gods right from the first episode.
There’s a major plot point later that the kind of spells Lina’s been using can have disastrous consequences, and if she had known that at the time she would never have chosen to use them… though her signature Dragon Slave, powered by the evil god Shabranigdo, is not a spell ever really questioned (though at one point another character actually prays to Shabranigdo to help them, and the other characters chastise her for trying).
Mmn, well, kinda-sorta. Except this leaves out psionics, which has been a recognized premise for science fiction stories since at least the 1950s. Probably earlier. That muddies the waters nicely! And psionic aliens? They’d fit right in to Galaxy magazine, or Azimov. (…Maybe not so much Analog, at least not in Campbell’s day, but I bet even they published some.)
The way I look at it is, both fantasy and science fiction involve a lot of “impossible” stuff. The essential difference is how it’s decorated. If the handwave that’s trying to make it plausible feels like it’s claiming there is a logical explanation based in science, even if that explanation makes no actual sense, it’s science fiction.
The reason it’s so hard to draw a hard and fast line between science fiction and fantasy is that some writers have worked hard with all available ingenuity to blur the distinction. It’s just plain fun to dance on boundaries!
What would you classify a cryogenetically frozen chaos wizard waking up after 10000 years and, with his army of unicorns and magic spells powered by robots fighting a hero with a plasma gun and astral hammer who rides a metal laser dragon in attempt to burn the intergalactic empire as?
1. Its a fictional world, it could very well be magic that simply appears to you as technology.
2. It could be a combination of magic AND technology, at this point we don’t know.
3. Given 1 and 2 above it would seem you aren’t half so smart and clever as you think you are. Perhaps rather than calling others “dolts” (an absolutely unnnecessary ad hominem attack) you should consider your own shortcomings first?
Yeah! Don’t you dolts even realize that wizard magic in D&D is based on the Dying Earth series, set in the Science Fiction genre? Or how Alchemy is so closely based on real life chemistry in Fullmetal Alchemist? Or how much detail there is in the Harry Potter-verse “magic” that it’s clearly thought of as a rational science? Or how magic is actually a metaphor for science in Discworld? Or how science actually is magic and vice-versa in Mage:The Ascension?
“Any sufficiently advanced science is completely distinguishable from magic if you’re a smart guy like me.” – some Sci Fi author
Yes, please use the basis of an Anime to further a discussion.
Regardless, I’ll bite.
Just because magic and technology exists in a fictional world in other writings doesn’t mean there isn’t a separation between magic and technology. Trying to compare the two is ridiculous.
Alchemy was nothing more then a early version of modern day chemistry.
Just because magic has mechanics doesn’t mean it’s the same as technology. The best example is that anyone in the Harry Potter universe could use technology, but only wizards could use magic. Most wizards simply do not educate themselves on the use of it, they are ignorant on the subject, realistically speaking they are almost handicapped because of their reliance on magic.
I could argue all day about fictional worlds, but I won’t, because it’s a moot point. There is a separation between technology and magic.
Jesus, look at the discussion I created. I am not going to bother replying to all of you; I disagree with anyone arguing magic until it’s confirmed by the story or author themselves.
I think you’re right that this is likely going to turn out to be advanced thought-controlled technology. To me, all the signs point that way.
But you didn’t have to call anyone dolts. The line between SF and magic is NOT anywhere near as self-evident and obvious as you seem to think. I am coming up now on sixty years of extensive reading in both science fiction and fantasy, and I have been following this perennial argument in SF cons since the mid-80s and on the internet since the mid-90s. Take it from me: any time you think you have finally, at last, drawn the line in the right place, set up the perfect criteria that can at last make the distinction, SOMEONE will be able to cite a dozen counter-examples. The very good reason for this is that many brilliant writers love playing with cross-genre, so they always wind up proving the rule-makers wrong. And we have no firm indication yet that Dave isn’t one of them.
No.
You’re entitled to your personal opinions, but any argument that relies on insulting others rather than defining ideas is flimsy as hell.
Besides, being rude to people just because they don’t agree with you (especially on fan theories, lol) is pretty low class in its own right. It’s entirely possible to say “I think it’s technology, and not magic.” without being a jerk about it.
Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. Ever read the Dragon Knight books by Gordon R. Dickson? A lot of the concept of magic revolves around this. Sewing originally was a “magic” because of this, but once it was well known became mundane. I can see the application at work here. “Magic” is the easy catch all until further explained, and likely what Todd or Selkie might think. The hologram from her mom certainly seemed more like high level tech. Personally, I hope we learn the Sarnothi word for it, too.
It always seemed to me like a Green Lantern sort of thing, only less godlike and less personal.
GL can conjure up technology, but it comes from his mind, like magic would. I imagine the Sarnothi “magic” is something similar with regards to how it’s created. Both Selkie’s bow and the shell-puppets from her memory began as green energy emitted from her mother’s hands.
However, the items created by the Sarnothi appear more permanent and standalone than the Green Lantern’s apparitions. They can be used as household machinery, like the fish tank thingy, or given to others to use, like Selkie’s bow.
Either way, the crazy black and green stuff seems to have a VERY strong attachment to the mind and will of the creator, even though it’s manifesting itself as highly advanced technology. My guess is that creating physical objects via manipulation of crazy green energy is an innate ability of the Sarnothi, and that some are intelligent enough to use this ability to construct intricate technological devices.
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Now that I think about it, I probably wouldn’t want to trust my kid’s wellbeing to a filter I bought at a pet store either.
want to bet that the only reason that Selkie gets caught watching is because as soon as Sai Fen starts to actually USE that bracelet, that Selkie’s BOW sets off an alarm something to the effect of “there is glowing green magic in use nearby”…
remember how Selkie’s mom had said that it would “keep you safe”… well HUMANS can’t do the glowy green stuff, and if her mom was desperate enough to be dropping her off at a human orphanage to escape from the civil war at home, then that implies that she didn’t want any Sarnothi to find her, and since they (Sarnothi as a whole) have been hiding for so long right under our proverbial noses, (and having seen the cloaking tech that they have) I’ll bet that the bow is set up to warn Selkie to get out if it detects the use of it nearby…
… I’m putting my money in this pool too!! Good analysis/hypothesis.
Yep, I’ll toss my coppers into this pool as well. That seems like a pretty likely thing for Selkie’s mom to have set up, considering she would have had every reason to believe they might be hunted.
Anyone have any ideas on what the bracelet is for?
I’m guessing it’s like a glove controller for the device. My question is what is the device going to do? Create a sort water-tension force-field that makes the the excess water when Sai Fen climbs in the tank just bloop up in a contained bubble, so that she can climb into the tank to feed the baby is my bet.
I’m guessing it will allow her to make a bubble of water with Tai Li inside it so she can breast-feed while the filter cleans the tank.
aww is she gonna waterbend a little floating kinda cat’s-cradle situation? because that’s awesome.
Is it just me, or does the ornament/circuit on the magic bracelet look like a variation of the USB logo?
Not just you. 🙂 Makes me wonder where the technology for that stuff really came from, at least in the Selkieverse.