With halibut pepperonis
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SELKIE: Eeeee! I can’ts wait for lunch!
AMANDA: Oh no. What happens at lunch?
SELKIE: Asked Dad ifs I could have a pizza party in class! He's pickings up some sardine and cod pizzas.
AMANDA: PLEASE tell me that's a joke and he's bringing food normal people eat?
SELKIE: I bets Tehk and Te Fahn would likes it. You saying they aren'ts normal?
AMANDA: You are profaning PIZZA. Leave Te Fahn out of your heresy.
AMANDA: Oh no. What happens at lunch?
SELKIE: Asked Dad ifs I could have a pizza party in class! He's pickings up some sardine and cod pizzas.
AMANDA: PLEASE tell me that's a joke and he's bringing food normal people eat?
SELKIE: I bets Tehk and Te Fahn would likes it. You saying they aren'ts normal?
AMANDA: You are profaning PIZZA. Leave Te Fahn out of your heresy.
sardines and cod with ... I dunno what the crust would be, bone meal and gelatin probably.
I made a crust once during a recently diagnosed celiac quest for pizza of cooked chicken and mozzarella, food processor’d together into a mealy “dough” that could be shaped and baked as a “crust” for pizza toppings.
Terrible for you. But worked and tasted good.
We made up homemade pão di quêju dough and used that. Also not that great for you, but delicious!
… I’m with Amanda on this one.
She sounds racist atfirst, but Selkie doesn’t seem offended. Just glad that wokeness hasn’t infected their school.
“Wokeness”. Yeah cause treating people decently is such a horrible thing to have happen. I think you are reading the wrong webcomic if you think “wokeness” is a bad thing.
I have a lot to say on this matter but this isn’t the forum for it, so I’m just gonna drop an emoji.
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Since I am an olde farte and not up on the latest internet lingo, could you define “woke” for me in this context? Please and thank you.
Wokeness tends to mean calling people out on inappropriate behavior. So if your coworker was calling someone slurs at work and you reported it HR you would be in the wrong for embracing woke culture. It’s a soundbite used by people who complain they can’t say anything anymore without people getting upset… But the things they want to say usually qualify as hate crimes. It was popularized by far right politicians along with the SJW insult. Because caring about people different than you is very wrong to the people who started these sayings.
So in this context it would be a good thing that no one is currently pointing out that Amanda’s remarks sound racist when they are standing away from other people and joking around. It’s a strange claim to make when this series has already shown xenophobia, racism and even covered how inappropriate other insults Amanda slung around when she hated Selkie.
I dare to disagree – someone speaking actual (ACTUAL) slurs should be reported to HR. Some third party overhearing part of a conversation – or two people teasing each other – not so much. “Woke”sters who get off on reporting hate speach has that isn’t is a thing. Properly used a word that sounds similar to a bad word but isn’t even derived from the same roots? Used or quoted a classic Twain novel in literature class discussions?
Said something that argued against discrimination but could be cut and edited to reverse the intent? Not, not, and not hate crimes – but have been reported as such.
Additionally, they keep lowering the bar as to what history and historical figures should be cancelled. Initially it was southern civil war figures – Now it’s farking Abraham Lincoln his own damn self.
And by extension if you argue against The Crazy the crazy wokesters call that a hate crime.
Thanks man, I didn’t go back to see responses on this until today. I’m disappointed that I have to do with these phony and hypocrites again, but I’m glad there’s still sensible people like you. I’m still gonna post a response correcting these people just not right now.
Cod is a really strong smelling fish.
I’m surprised she’s not getting anchovies on it though. The salty goodness of them would make a suitable fish alternative to pepperoni (although Selkie can have pepperoni right?).
I rarely get to have anchovies on my pizza because my husband and kids don’t like them.
One of my friends has the same problem.
When we realized this during a visit one time we were overjoyed and decided to order one to split.
Our husbands decided they had to order their pizza from a different pizzeria just to ensure that theirs wasn’t “contaminated” by being put in the same travel pack with ours.
The pizza delivery guys passed each other on the porch.
We had to explain the situation to the second guy and he sided with our husbands that they’d made the right call.
I mean, it’s got herbs and spices for flavoring, but is like 90% meat. So it should be fine, especially with her being able to drink Chai and such.
I would have suggested shrimp and eel myself.
Shrimp on pizza is a thing here in Japan. So is squid.
Add some umi!
Every once in awhile I’ll order an anchovie, onion and olive pizza. I hate Domanos, but it’s the only joint in my area that carries anchovies.
I hope you have a good mouthwash, LOL!
One of the pizza recipes on dietdoctor.com – a keto site I’ve been a member of – uses eggs and shredded mozzerrella as a crust. You spread that on parchment paper on a cookie sheet, and bake it separately. Then add your toppings and re-bake
Everyone likes Te Fahn.
Tehk, meanwhile, everyone believes would invent new blasphemes just because he could.
Umm… aren’t tomatoes and wheat plants?
I thought Selkie was pretty exclusively a meat person.
Also – yes, the selkie comic is a tad “woke”. Multicultural teachers at the school, teaching about racial tolerance, interracial adoption in the family. But it’s “woke” in a Martin Luther King way.
It doesn’t make a big deal about it, doesn’t attack one group as “reparations” towards an other, treats the characters based on the content of their character (not their group identity), in short it’s Old School Liberal and not the sad mutant form that current “Liberalism” (imho) has devolved into.
In short it preaches without being preachy or condescending or insulting about it.
Oh, you need to get MLK’s name out of your mouth.
I honor the man at the least for his famous “content of their character instead of the color of their skin” quote. Also he, like Ghandi, knew that to fight injustice it could be more powerful to fight hate and violence with love and peaceful action. To fight and highlight evil without returning evil for evil.
Based on his life he would have repudiated every BLM “mostly peaceful” protest that wasn’t – instead of defending and justifying them.
You really don’t know anything about Ghandi and MLK. Reducing them to “good peaceful protestors” is racist.
Here’s a direct quote from MLK’s most famous speech:
“…the price that America must pay for the continued oppression of the Negro and other minority groups is the price of its own destruction.”
—The American Dream: July 4, 1965
This is a man who worked closely with Malcom X, Kept a gun on himself for protection and also famously said: Riots were the voice of the unheard. He did not believe that you would get your rights by only peaceful protests. He believed in starting peaceful first and when they didn’t work you then force people to give you your rights.
Ghandi on the other hand suggested Jewish people kill themselves in order to gain the right to not be murdered. Not really someone you should be using a prop.
If you have a problem with the BLM movement you can just say you are comfortable with police killing people whenever they feel like it as long as it doesn’t affect you and move on. Seeing as BLM only meant that their lives should matter and the fact that police have a high rate of killing innocent and unarmed black people. Also MLK may be dead but many of the people who worked with him are still here along with his family and they supported the BLM movement so you need to stop distracting his name.
I have no issue with self-defense – and neither did MLK. I never claimed he was a Quaker or some such. In my eyes someone so peaceful that they won’t defend themselves fails the membership test of civilized society – there’s an implicit pact that The Good Guys will band together to protect each other – someone like that wouldn’t.
Ghandi felt that the Brits in their hearts were decent folks who he could convince by peaceful protest and action. Really flattering, that. He also mistakenly felt the then current Germans could be reasoned with. Just as many German Jews felt – until it was far too late.
Neither was without flaw or mistakes – but both were basically good people. But I’ll certainly concede that the possibility of violence if peace means failed made peaceful means more likely to succeed.
As to BLM – any unnecessary death at the hands of police is wrong. I can certainly agree to that while also condemning BLM leadership enriching themselves, BLM knee-jerking every death by police as murder, and protests that become Arwen and looting fests. The two are not mutually exclusive. At the very least police shooting a black teen attempting to stab another black teen to death is inappropriate cause for rioting.
This. While MLK though peaceful protest was important, he also wrote a lot about how the prospect of violence was the conceptual currency backing every peaceful movement, and how civil disobedience and disruption is inherently how protests work.
MLK also had harsh words for people who considered themselves allies of the civil rights movement, but only ever interacted with the civil rights issue by criticizing the movement when it disrupted their comfy social order.
And he was right.
Most normal people have to EXTEMELY be riled up and/or feel that have that little to lose in order to break out of their normal lives to march. Especially if they know the police will likely respond with violence regardless of how protesters behave. That means being a spark or two away from violence is the normal ground state of protests in general.
Protests that are easy to ignore are ineffectual as protests. Every outside call for protests to be non-disruptive is functionally, if not explicitly, a call for the subject of the protest to be ignored. This means any protest movement is incentivized to be perceived as approaching the line between non-violence and violence, both to be attention grabbing, and as a symbol of the seriousness of their cause.
In BLMs case, the entire subject of the protests was disproportionate police violence. And the police responded to the protests with disproportionate violence, regardless of whether the protesters in front of them were violent or not. The resulting escalation spiral should not have been a shock to anyone.
Some people keep trying to turn it into “Some of these people got violent, period, and that means their cause was unjustified, period”, which is not honest logic.
This is how the American civil rights protests of the 60 were too. MLK was a charismatic leader who was able to keep a chunk of it peaceful, but he wasn’t the leader of the whole movement by far, and even his demonstrations weren’t always able to prevent sparks from catching. And as noted above, he didn’t see nonviolence the way you’re projecting onto him. Portraying BLM as something shameful compared to the demonstrations of the 60’s betrays a very… edited view of that era.
He was a successful leader, but his legacy has kinda been weaponized against his own cause by romanticizing him into a messianic symbol of passive resistance.
Needing a definition of “woke” in the context of a pejorative, also what, IYHO, is the difference between “old school” and “current” liberalism.
I ask, because when it comes down to brass tacks, I *think* “woke” is just a new term for “political correctness”, and the only people who think it’s a bad thing are those who don’t like being called out on when they openly express their racism/sexism/homophobia/transphobia.
But I recognize that I could well be wrong, and that is why I ask for your working definitions of those terms.
For at least a partial reply see reply above.
“Woke” as a pejorative would refer to the wokeness versions that witch-hunt insult where none is intended, that keep changing what verbiage is on the approved list and attacking anyone who’s internal copy of that list isn’t as up to date, that use Orwellian hatchets to language and then virtual hatchets to people’s lives and livelihoods who didn’t get the memo or take it seriously enuf.
“Woke” in the pejorative sense refers to those who claim a biologist would be needed to recognize a gender but would crucify a biologist who didn’t agree with their opinion. Who have Orwellian mutated a simple biological fact into a (itho) heresy.
Basically it refers to the Crazy.
Ah, so I was right. Thank you for confirming my suspicions on how and why it is used.
Yeah, would have no problem with political correctness in its mildest form – be polite. You don’t use the F word or the N word for gays or PoC is just not being a dick. Not discriminating against people for their religion or color or (classical quadratic) gender is just not being a dick.
However some folks don’t believe in leaving well enuf alone. It’s not sufficient to not discriminate or bad talk others. If they’re a formally discriminated group they must be allowed to discriminate back in retribution. If they’re a group based on behavior and actions you MUST approve, not just live and let live.
When political correctness (or “wokeness”) is used, as it currently almost always is, as a weapon of retribution, vengeance, and “Oh I’m great but you’re subhuman trash” labeling – that’s when it deserves pejorative use imho.
My view towards most “woke” is like my view towards an old county song / Baptist trope – “Miss Betty Sue – Better Than You”.
The idea is that existed congregationists whose whole purpose to church-going was to lord it over other folks – the whole actually being a better person – not so much.
Similarly the wokesters among us are permeated like a fungus among us with folks whose purpose among that congregation is to make themselves feel “better than you” – actually being better persons – not so much.
Real Christian’s would hate the sin but love the sinner.
Real “woke” folks wouldn’t act like most “woke” folk do either.
Do not blindly accept BobM’s bigoted and biased definition of what “woke” means.
In it’s true sense as originally coined it means someone who is aware of the realities of injustice that are part of our world, such as systematic racism.
In the perjorative sense used by the right wing it means people who criticize them and allegedly “cancel” them for saying and doing awful things, particularly towards minorities and other marginalized groups. People like BobM want to be able to do these things without consequences. That’s what they mean by “cancel culture” which is something they themselves have been guilty of for a lot longer, and for bad reasons. As evidenced by BobM’s inability to understand the difference between genetic, biological, mental, and cultural definitions of gender and that they are more complex than the binary he wishes it were.
That second paragraph… woof.
Look: not liking what the majority of scientists in the related fields have to say, then seeking out the 2% fringe who tell you what you wanted to hear instead, and going around accusing people of being anti-science b/c they went with the actual consensus rather than the fringe isn’t how you paint yourself as the reasonable one.
As to Old vs New School – Old School lacks the hubris of NS.
Alan Dershowitz is classic OS.
I refer you to the classic film “A man for all seasons”, well worth a viewing if you’ve never.
In the film disagreement is heresy.
To AD disagreement is disagreement.
A classic film. Although Thomas More was less than tolerant in real life. And the comment on Wales is quite insulting– then as now, we’re a soft target.
I have to agree with him that “woke” can be a bad thing.
I had a woke speech teacher. The whole curriculum revolved around intersectional discrimination. Like, sure, it’s a thing. But we’re kind of veering off topic. And I’m NOT obligated to change my worldview. I can recognize my racism and choose not to act on it, but frankly, as a gay man, my internalized homophobia is a more pressing concern. Changing also takes time and effort, finite resources
“Woke” originated in the Black community as a way of describing people who are alert to the injustice and inequity at the heart of our society. But the right found it incredibly useful as a buzzword that lets them paint dissidents as blue-haired college students that are ~canceling everyone, woooooo~
That second paragraph… woof.
Look: not liking what the majority of scientists in the related fields have to say, then seeking out the 2% fringe who tell you what you wanted to hear instead, and going around accusing people of being anti-science b/c they went with the actual consensus rather than the fringe isn’t how you paint yourself as the reasonable one.
This was supposed to be part of a comment chain above. Ignore it here.
I dunno why, but this seems to happen half the time on this particular type of of webcomic comment implementation. I hit the “reply” button, and it posts as a general comment instead. Super frustrating
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Today’s comment section escalated quickly.
Anyhow, thanks for the comic, Dave! Looking forward to Selkie’s Spawnday Lunch! 🙂
I’ve put sardines on pizza. It is fishy goodness. Much better fish than anchovies… which are still good.
This right here is the kind of sibling dynamic we love – two sassy young people who care for each other but still think the other person is crazy for liking what they like.
Grilled cheese for the crust? *I* would definitely try that.