I’ve answered this question in commentary before but for those that missed it or don’t check the comments very often, sarnothi breast feed their infants. It’s for a much shorter duration than humans do (a few weeks to about a month). Biologically, this is to provide calcium and other minerals to the infant until their jaws are capable of crushing fish bones on their own.
I figure Sai Fen remembers the different sounds Suko made when he was younger to identify "happy" from "hungry" pretty reliably.
“… until their jaws are capable of crushing fish bones on their own.”
So when Sai Fen says “boobs, mostly” she’s speaking literally.
“OUCH!” “Okay, kid, time for some fish bones…”
My mom says that behavior is exactly what got ME weened, lol. (Tho not to fish bones.)
Mom used to flick us in the cheek to make us stop biting. As far as I know it worked, since she nursed my brother until at least two and me for probably longer (the reason my brother got weaned was that our grandma interfered with him seeking my mom in the middle of the night — we were living with the grandparents at the time).
My kid bit me once while nursing. I shrieked, she cried, there was some calm-down nursing, and she never did it again.
(Likewise, when I — holding onto her overalls-onesie with a deathgrip — let her crawl headfirst down the stairs. She went down one stair, bumped her head, was comforted, and never did it again. Not that I gave her much opportunity to do that, but it really ruled it out.)
I’d imagine biting with those fangs would be a bit, um, painful.
Egg tooths fall off after a few hours, and newborns are more known for latching problems than biting.
Unless their teeth come in early as mine did. The pediatrician did not believe mom till the doc put her fingers in my mouth and I bit her. Through the glove. Much to my mom’s satisfaction.
This seems a bit weenie of Todd. Like how scary is breastfeeding to him?
It’s not weenie, it’s polite. If a friend was nursing her baby I’d ask, “would you like me to give you two a little space” and invariably she would say “no”, flop out the tit, chonk the kid on the end of it, and not even miss a beat in the conversation.
However, if the answer was yes, I would happily either position myself to not be in view or leave the room until they were done. I wouldn’t have had an issue either way. Generally boobs being used to feed kids isn’t very erotic.
My wife had special maternity shirts that had a flap you could slip the kid under so she could even nurse on the bus without creepy people ogling the food factory.
If a mother is breastfeeding in front of you she doesn’t care—otherwise she would have excused herself. The polite thing to do is continue the conversation, and don’t make a big-to any more than you would if she was bottle-feeding. Saying “shall I leave the room” is usually more rude as it implies the breastfeeding mom should feel weird about it (or that YOU do). Todd can get away with it, though, since he’s kind of in shock, the baby is nursing for the first time, and he has probably learned enough about Sarnothi biology for the day. I do agree with LadyObvious, though. He’s kind of been a prude with this and the toddler nuddity, but it’s a bit in character and understandable.
How about not asserting that your opinion is the absolute right behavior and accept that different people have different comfort levels and social mores? Todds question was genuine and polite in its intent, reading hostility into it is unfair to him and others.
I feel like I keep having to repeat this same message but when you assert that your way of doing things is the ONLY way it comes across as disrespectful and rude. Your experiences are your own, they do not equate to all possible ways of doing things. Often there are many equally valid approaches in life rather than one True path.
There’s no way of doing that as long as people who think differently from you are still forcing THEIR comfort levels on others, and succeeding at it. You can’t just stop pushing back against them. You’re only trying to undo the brainwashing they’ve already done.
So your solution is to impose YOUR comfort levels on others, regardless of how others feel? Why exactly is your viewpoint the correct one and why should you get to dictate what others have to be ok with?
Not being able to do whatever you want, whenever you want, where ever you want is NOT brainwashing. Its being a reasonable person and its necessary in order to have a functioning civilized society.
A) because mine came first, and has been the only sensible way to think for thousands of years until the very most modern ‘civilized’ thinking (the kind that pressured women not to breastfeed at all and led to horrible malnourishment)
B) because it’s what people would think in the absence of any influence at all.
That’s one of the stupidest things I’ve ever heard.
“Mine was first” is not a valid argument for being right, and your second point is an assumption, at best.
He’s doing the polite thing. He’s asking her if she wants privacy, and since she replied with “yes,” she obviously WANTED it. There is no place for you to say that she is WRONG to want that, or that he was wrong to ask her what she wanted him to do.
she only wants it because others have told her to want it. you can disagree, but you’ll be wrong. it’s pretty obvious you have to be taught to feel things like that, because people who aren’t, don’t, and are happier.
“You can disagree but you’ll be wrong”
No, just no, thats not how it works. In order to prove you are right you need to back up your claim with FACTS and LOGIC, you can’t simply assert things and pretend they are true.
You have made numerous claims in this thread that are simply things you feel or things you assert to be true but have no evidence to support.
Further, its completely arrogant and illogical to claim “you/she only feel that way because you’ve been taught but my way is different” as if you sprung into the world fully complete without influence from anyone or anything outside you.
Your attitude is incredibly arrogant, off-puting and rude. Your arguments are entirely opinion based and not even fully consistent. I HIGHLY recommend you take some time to consider how you come across to others.
You would also be well served taking some time to learn how to present convincing arguments, because as it stands now, I doubt anyone would be swayed to your viewpoint given your current approach. Perhaps you don’t care, in which case you are either wasting your time commenting here or intentionally trolling.
There are other reasons why a parent might not want to breastfeed in front of someone, though. I can think of 2, immediately.
1: They might have scarring in the chest area for some reason, or tattoos they regret.
2: The kid in question might be easily distracted; it’s a real nuisance to get a kid latched on, and then let-down happens, the kid gets distracted at just the wrong moment and turns its head, and WHOOSH! You’ve just sprayed breastmilk a yard away! (Seriously. Been there, done that.) If you don’t want to squirt your guest and/or simply don’t want the kid being too distracted to nurse, you might desire privacy.
3: Just thought of this one: not all nursing parents come from backgrounds where they’re comfortable showing skin. You don’t know if someone has suffered abuse (as a child, a teen, or an adult) that might make them uncomfortable with showing secondary sexual characteristics to non-intimates.
4: The nursing parent might be a trans man who is already dealing with issues regarding having milk-producing breasts. If he doesn’t wanna deal with more random factors — such as the chance of someone being weirded at him or asking impertinent questions — then privacy could be useful.
So there are four reasons why a calm, “Need privacy?” question is totally polite to a nursing parent. Give the parent agency by determining their comfort level and being able to say it without trying to force your opinions on them! It’s easy to say, “nah, I’m fine” if that’s the case. Or “Thanks; don’t wanna squirt you in the eye when the wiggleworm unlatches.” Or, y’know, “Yeah.”
(Why, yes, I did nurse my kid till she was… around three? In public, too. …heck, in THIS SHIRT I AM WEARING RIGHT NOW, come to think of it! Button-open shirts were pretty useful for tucking a kid inside. But I also carried a drape because little miss “unlatch just as the milk lets down” would otherwise have caused me to spray bodily fluids all over the place, and made herself more cranky by being hungry but still unwilling to eat because Interesting Things To Look At.)
I really don’t think that it’s rude to ask a mother who’s stated a need to breastfeed if she wants you to leave until she’s done. A mother who’s already got the child attached, maybe. However, in the scenario in comic, Sai Fen has NO option of going to a different room herself to breastfeed (…giant tank), so if Todd didn’t ask she would be forced to either awkwardly ask him to leave or to do it in front of him, which she clearly doesn’t want to do. (Since she gratefully accepts his offer to leave.) Kudos to Todd for recognizing she has limited options and giving up his own comfort to provide her with a new and better option. The kudos is not because I think he’s doing anything out of the ordinary – I think he’s just being a polite adult here. But so many people who are not trapped with limited options fail to recognize when others are that it becomes worthy of praise when someone meets even this low bar.
You’re right. It’s not bad to ask if she is a new mother in her own home (or hospital/birth center)—not but not if she’s been doing it awhile or is out to lunch. It’s always a good thing to follow a mom’s lead and pretty much act like it’s no biggie when a mom nurses.
And this strip would be fine, but Todd’s reaction in the last panel is dorky. Dude held it together just fine when the baby busted out as a screaming fish person, but he looks like he’s going to puke in the last panel after she brings up breastfeeding. Lame.
>he looks like he’s going to puke in the last panel after she brings up breastfeeding
I would argue that because the kid is significantly physically different from a human child, he had made the reasonable assumption that a person with similar physiology too a fish would eat the same thing a fish would… and the new information jarred him because of all the stuff that comes with it. Human mom with a new infant? If she’s not comfortable feeding her kid in front of someone else, she gets to leave. Sarnothi mom? Not an option when they’re living out of water but the child is restricted to living in water. Not only that, but one would imagine that a mother breastfeeding her child underwater would probably be at least topless, if not right out nude. It’s gonna be awkward, and Todd probably realizes this. So the expression is more likely sudden realization that things have huge potential for awkwardness.
I agree that women shouldn’t feel like their boobs are sexualized, but everyone is going to have a different comfort level for different things, and we shouldn’t shame people for not feeling comfortable with showing a body part any more than we should shame a person for feeling comfortable showing everything.
Over here boobs are considered private and you don’t just “flop them out” when not in private company same like you wouldn’t just drop your pants.
Like I don’t get what this whole tangent is about, was Todd supposed to stay and watch, is that considered acceptable nowadays? I love boobs like the next guy but if I came across a breastfeeding woman I’d politely turn away and look somewhere else too.
Boobs aren’t genitalia. They are for feeding babies and that’s it. Stop sexualizing boobs.
Unless I missed some recent change of trends most societies would disagree on that. 😀
They’re oversexualized here. Boobs are not sex organs. They’re sex characteristics.
Stop sexualizing breasts.
Boobs are sexualized in our society though, maybe they shouldn’t be but they are and saying otherwise won’t change that.
Like I really don’t get what you are trying to argue here, do you disagree that most women don’t want random people looking at their breasts, so avoiding doing that when they are breastfeeding is the polite and respectful thing to?
Funny because you seem to think they are by how you’re writing. And I was joking when I called Todd a weenie. -___-
That said if you want to convince women to go around topless more often I personally am all for that, don’t think we are quite there yet though.
Okay that reads as creepy and that sounds like you have no idea what free the nipple is about.
First time I hear about that, feel free to share.
How about get your butt on Google and look it up yourself?
I was kidding. Like joking. :/
Nobody knows you’re joking on the Internet.
Joke or serious? And I just asked the dumb question of the year. XD
In all honesty: a little bit of both 😀
There are reasons I tend to be more wordy when I’m either trying to definitely impart that I’m 100% serious, or when I’m making absolutely, positively sure that nobody can mistake my joke comment as a serious one. Hell, the extra text sometimes adds to the joke (or adds an initial joke, when being serious-business mode) which can make the message more accepted too.
But yeah, people will always take things the wrong way online (though the comments here are usually a lot better than some other sites) and all one can do is clarify after the confusion has begun.
Maybe he’s just in shock from the whole thing. I have a sense they want him out of the room so they can use their glowy magic to move the water in their tank since there was a pause when saying it’s “unusable.”
Ah, after a night’s rest, I take it all back. I agree with LadyObvious. Todd is totally the weenie king of WeenieVille Junior in this strip—not for simply asking if he should leave, but his reaction in the last panel.
He barely batted an eye seeing a screaming baby fish person bust out of an egg, but he looks like he’s going to lose his lunch in the last panel here. I threw him a bone for being a prude about the naked toddler, but this is just childish and rather offensive to people who breastfeed.
I took it, by the red splatter background, that, after all he’s seen, he truly is imagining that newborn biting the crap outta mom’s boobs and is a bit horrified of that. I might be as well. And, yeah, he may be a weenie but this is also an explanation.
Asking someone in their own home if you should give them privacy is being a weenie? I mean, I get that people are more relaxed about breastfeeding in public these days (baby needs to eat when they need to eat) but it doesn’t mean those doing the feeding are looking for an audience.
I think the background/reaction are a combination of all the recent chaos of the breakout/learning about Sarnothi infancy/high energy excitement/random toddler nakedness, followed with the blunt “boobs, mostly” comment. Todd isn’t a crazy prude from what we’ve seen (we haven’t seen much on that front anyway) but he’s read between the lines, and with the situation, realized his being there would be awkward. That realization makes his attempt to de-awkward the situation even more awkward for him, resulting in the face/background color choice.
I mean, the Sarnothi aren’t mammals, so why would one expect them to produce milk for their young? From my understanding of things (which could be quite off, I’m no expert by any measure) only mammals produce milk for their young.
How many more times can’t I put “produce milk for their young” into this post? I think that’s it…
Produce milk for their young 😀
That’s pretty much it, maybe some women don’t mind, but I think most still would, so assuming they want privacy over assuming they don’t is the right and polite thing to do here.
Not every woman in the universe is an extreme feminist who thinks breaststroke constantly need to be on display. “Stop staring at my breasts! Hey, why are you averting your eyes like my breasts are something to be ashamed of!?!?” It’s just… stupid. Most women don’t think breastfeeding is anything worth making a fuss over, but would rather do it in private somewhere so that people don’t inadvertently stare or the rare occasions where someone makes a nasty comment. While it’s nothing to feel ashamed for and I would like to think most women aren’t ashamed or embarrassed by it, they still would rather not put it on display simply to be confrontational about it.
And to put it simply, while they may be fine breastfeeding their child in front of their female friends and family, I think most women would rather not put their male friends in a potentially awkward spot. They don’t know whether or not their male friends feel as if they’re invading their female friends privacy or simply that they don’t want to be seen staring. It’s not something the man should be ashamed of either. Some stare, some don’t, regardless of gender. They’re not trying to be rude or perverted in most cases, they’re just curious. It’s not a bad thing to stare imo. It’s human nature.
If my bro decided to unzip his pants and turned away from me to take a piss while we were on a camping trip, I’d stare. Not cause I want to see his wang, but because it’s something that happened suddenly and unannounced. I mean, he may consider it perfectly normal, but to me it’s something that interrupted the flow of conversation and doesn’t happen at normal intervals on a daily basis for me. For someone who’s used to their friend taking a piss in the woods or breastfeeding on a park bench, they probably would carry on like normal.
People need to stop pushing their damn agendas on others and realize not everyone thinks the way you do and that doesn’t make them a bad person for it.
Ignore the typos. Phone auto corrected things.
Except boobs aren’t sex organs. The analogy fails completely fails here.
It’s not the same thing at all. -____-
You know, a man’s penis is also dual-purpose. When it’s being used to take a piss it isn’t a sex organ — in pretty much the exact same way that a breast that’s being used to feed a baby is not at that time a sex organ.
But other times? In private? Between consenting adults? Anyone who thinks women’s breasts have nothing to do with sex then has been … well, I almost wanted to say, doing it wrong, but of course there is no ‘wrong’ in the bedroom if both sides are happy. Still, for lots of people they’re a valued part of intimate relations, so the fact that they’re not technically required for the (tab A goes into slot B) part of reproduction is kind of irrelevant.
False equivalency. And factually incorrect. Breasts are secondary sex characteristics. Not organs. At all. You. Are. Wrong.
Men’s brea-I mean pecs produce the same sensations as women’s. Breasts aren’t sex organs. Shut up.
Dear me. Well, my breasts are dual-purpose. You mean I’ve been doing it wrong all these years?
I’ll leave you to your ill temper.
Condescending. Cute. Thank you for that.
Saying their “dual purpose” means nothing. Their function is to feed babies.
You know something, if the only bits you use in the bedroom are your boobs and genitals, you are doing it wrong.
Or do we have to accept mouths, hands, arms, legs, ears, necks, and actually every other part of the body (people’s tastes vary) as also being sex organs?
Or you could accept the common definition of sex organ as meaning an organ used in reproduction and stop being facetious just to troll someone i doubt you even know. I mean come on, this is grade school stuff.
Nah. It really doesn’t. At all. The thing had nothing to do with sex (way to sexualize it though, good job) and more about privacy and comfort. It depends entirely on the people involved, but most people will not feel at ease in these sorts of situations because they cannot easily gague what the other person may be thinking unless they’ve been friends for a long time or raised around those sorts of things.
A girl who was raised with 4 older brothers might think it’s perfectly natural to undress around guys, wrestle them or bathe with them, but a girl who was raised with 4 sisters most likely will not have the same reaction and would be appalled if it happened in front of her.
Inb4 but I was raised by 4 sisters and think it’s perfectly natural to walk around stark naked in front of dudes after I shower.
How is pointing out that whipping out a penis isn’t the same as breasts or sexualizing it? I just pointed out one is a characteristic. The other isn’t.
Even not used for sex they’re still sex organs. You do understand that,right?
They’re both equally private for most sane people. You do understand that, right?
Wow. You don’t understand a thing do you? Breasts are oversexualized by our society and aren’t fucking sex organs. AT. ALL.
And thanks for the ableism. You’ve been great! DX<
Sure, dude. Go to the beach one day wearing trunks and no shirt, and the next day wearing a shirt and no trunks. Then you can tell me how you were treated just the same each time.
There’s a reason why bare genitals are only permitted on nudist beaches, even when many other beaches allow bare chests for everyone. Read Ontario’s ruling on that issue for details.
Can’t help but think you should change your name to Lady Oblivious.
So original. So very original and funny. Ha. Ha. Ha. )=<
You're completely wrong about what makes something a sex organ and sex characteristic.
@Spring Pop – *applause*
@LadyObviou – Asserting someone is wrong doesn’t, you know, make them wrong. Asserting your view is the only correct one also doesn’t make it true. Some people and some cultures view breasts in a less sexual and/or taboo fashion. Others don’t. The fact that independent civilizations have adopted different mores around what parts of the body to cover/not cover shows that its not simply an example of ONE society being wrong and all others being right. There are different views and even within groups different people have different comfort levels. Perhaps try and show a little more respect to people who simply hold different viewpoints than you and try and articulate in a more polite and reasoned fashion why you FEEL the way you do and you might find people more receptive to your ideas. Declaring that you are right and everyone else is wrong is probably about the least effective approach you can take.
Yea, doesn’t matter what you call them, don’t care what the “official” definition of each body part is.
Boobs are sexy, most straight guys and lesbians looking at naked breasts will get turned on, therefore they are sexual.
Mind, I’m not saying women should be forced to cover them up in public, though most want to anyway, almost as if they know they know your nacked breasts aren’t something you show to just anyone (again though, if they want to, more power to them).
@DavidK
Yeah no,nice try but this is a false equivalency. Stop trying. Boobs are literally oversexualized at least women’s are. You’re going “I CAN’T STAND SIGHT OF BOOB EVEN WHEN I CAN STOP STARING WHEN A BABY IS GETTING THE NUTRIENTS IT NEEDS TO SURVIVE” and have it compared to a friggin penis being whipped out in public. They’re not the same thing. Stop trying.
@mikael
You do realize that you’re completely wrong about lesbians. That the rest of the world finds American mens obsession with boobs childish and that THEY AREN’T SEX ORGANS BUT SEX CHARACTERISTICS. WHAT YOU’RE SAYING IS CREEPY. JUST STOP.
Do you have some kind of source on “the rest of the world finds American mens obsession with boobs childish “, because I’ve never heard that assertion before.
Also might want to define “rest of the world”, seeing I’m actually from Europe and we are just as boob obsessed over here.
And seeing as I currently live in Japan I can assure you the men folk are QUITE interested in them here too.
Again, just because you assert it to be true does not make it so.
Also just because you call out a logical fallacy by name doesn’t, you know, mean you applied it correctly or that the original point doesn’t need facts to refute it.
Also worth pointing out that I never said one word about penises or tried to compare boobs to penises, so you may want to try re-reading what people actually wrote before declaring they are wrong for something they never even said.
You are really not doing yourself any favors here.
I was joking when I said this. It seems odd considering some of the stuff he’s seen. That’s all I meant. -___-
Anyone else curious about “Yeah but the pump is… unusable, right now.” ? Hmmm…..
😉
Definitely Sarnothi green magic stuff.
More likely they can’t operate the pump with Tai Li in the tank.
Sorry, I didn’t see your post.
Maybe the baby is so small that she would be pumped from the tank. I imagine that they have a plug in the bottom right now.
Don’t they have a generously sized wading pool ready to transfer the baby into? The tank would be equivalent to a crib and the wading pool equivalent to a nursing bed… and where her brother was going to end up getting to have first tactile contact?
so will Sai Fen be getting into the tank?
also, I’ve read that aquatic mammals tend to have milk the consistency of toothpaste…
I’m guessing she’s going to lean over the tank, nipples in the water, and Tai Li will figure out the rest.
People keep asking about this and I think the rule of thumb for all Breatfeeding Mothers is “Don’t Stare you Twit!” I mean some ladies will be okay letting them out in public and some ladies won’t be it’s a personal preference thing, but if the mother in question asks you to give her space, then for God’s sake don’t be a ninny and respect the Mother’s personal space. and if she is feeding in public then the politest thing to do is to ignore the feeding, carry on doing what you were doing and don’t stare at the boob. Girls know when you’re staring at their boobs. It’s not fun, stoppit. =w=;
‘Get your trunks’ didn’t sound like a sudden idea, but something long planned out; for that, to suddenly release ‘–But he can’t enter because we can’t pump out the water’ gives me the impression ‘Huh… they really haven’t thought about this much, have they.’.
Then again, this makes sense if all three of them were born in the sea: ‘Brother plays with sister’ taken as a given, but ‘Logistics of sister being in tank instead of sea’ being overlooked. Still, all the more reason why thinking ahead would have been prudent; it’s good that one of them realised the pump couldn’t be used, instead of using the pump and only afterwards realising ‘Nooo! We’re using a tank instead of the sea and didn’t think this through, we just pumped our daughter into the sewer!’ in front of the guests. Hopefully they haven’t been overlooking anything else important for their daughter’s survival in a non-sea environment.
I believe it was mentioned that Sarnothi are exclusively Freshwater. Though I do know what you meant…
I think they had thought about it, had planned it, but hadn’t really thought through the fact that Todd and Selkie being present — because of an impulsive last-minute invitation — would throw a monkey wrench into those plans.
Sharp, pointy egg tooth = OUCH!!!! I can only trust there is some adaptation, or the species would have starved to death many generations ago.
You would think that till you start learning about the matting/birthing/hatching habits of other species and then you start questioning the truth of Darwinism.
The species that reproduce via traumatic insemination are doing very well and do not look like they would be dying off any time soon.
Wait. This would mean that sarnothi are mammals, if they have mammary glands.
There’s a number of fish, birds, amphibians and what ever the ecidna and the platypus are that feed milk or milk like substance from glands located in chest, throat or ‘arm’ pit regions that lay eggs or live birth. There is also a number of critters that live birth do not nurse.
Platypus really aren’t helping your point. Platypus are mammals.
Haha:) Sorry. Platypus are not mammals. Neither are echidnas. They are monotremes. Give birth to eggs and the babes hatch from it and nurse afterwards.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monotreme
Not to be rude but the link you posted literally states that monotremes are mammals that lay eggs. Unless you meant “are” instead of “are not”.
A monotreme is a specific order of mammals. Yes, platypi and echidnas are mammals.
Sarnothi are sentient monotremes. XD Unless they aren’t….
I am pretty sure it’s more complicated than that. See the comment discussion a couple of strips ago: https://selkiecomic.com/comic/selkie779/#comments
In this world, no one has heard of The Python, apparently? It’s what I use to drain my fish tanks and i had one that was 75 Gallons. It’s a pretty useful device: you hook it up to your sink and run the water, which causes physics to pull the water out. It is VERY easy to avoid your fish, even the tiny ones.
I am more interested as to why their drainer isn’t working LOL. Toddler mishap?
Like someone pointed out above, they probably use sarnothi magic for it and don’t want to do that in front of Todd and Selkie.
i’ll agree that the water filtration/pumping is powered by their magic and that they don’t want to break cover by revealing it to Todd (he doesn’t have a Need-To-Know Clearance for it yet)
and come to think of it, Dave has been pretty consistent in drawing the tank WITHOUT any pumping mechanism visible like we usually see on “normal” fish tanks of that size. the kind that have the pump on the back of the tank platform (or the floor, etc.) and hoses running up the side and curling over the top edge to dunk below the water level for the input hose and to just above the water level so that air/oxygen can get mixed in to the returning water, before it remixes with the water already in the tank.
So the water is being magically cleaned with magic NH3-fixing bacteria, also magically heated, all without leaving the tank?
Nah, I think he’s assuming the average person thinks bubbles under the kelp = filtration. There is a normal hood with lights in it.
LadyObvious says something sexist and she just repeats “I was joking.” No argument to defend herself, just “joking sweety lol -_______- learn to google.”
Anyone–regardless of gender–disagrees with her and she has to argue for pages.
Just because she’s a regular reader/commenter doesn’t mean she should be allowed to troll endlessly. Maybe she’s PMS’ing, or maybe something else crazy is going on. (I’m a girl. I PMS. We all do in one way or another. Don’t turn this into another thing to get upset about, LadyOblivious ;))
Biologically I agree: breasts are not sex organs and males have every single aspect of breasts as females do (yeah, they can make breast milk; they have the same mammary glands. Girls just have more fat and less hair.)
It is legal in my state for me to walk around topless, and I do. HOWEVER if any one sexually attracted to breasts, I can’t argue their feelings. As long as they don’t break the law with actions (say, trespassing on my property to look [I’ll shoot you :D]) then their FEELINGS are not something we can demand they change.
You can argue biology all you want as a science, but using biology to tell people what is supposed to be -sexy- to them is wrong. Saying “boobs aren’t meant for babies therefore they’re not sexual” is as ignorant as telling someone that because homosexuals can’t make babies they’re wrong.
I agree with this though to bring this back to what started the topic, I think women breastfeeding is the exception. When you go out topless it’s your choice and it comes with the obvious consequence of others getting to see your goods so it should be all good.
With breastfeeding they might not necessarily want to go around topless, it’s just a side effect of having to feed their baby. So in that case if there is a reasonable way to give them privacy I would.
Well done Todd.
One standard by which we can measure true maturity, is that a person is willing to put aside their own curiosity in order to respect someone else’s privacy.