At least it wasn’t setting a spark off in a flour mill level. There isn’t much to recover from that level.
Speaking of which, that might be a very good idea to teach any of the Echoes about that don’t already know. I doubt that they had to worry too much about similar issues underwater. I would rather that they didn’t find out the hard way about explosion possibilities.
Spark in a flour mill–? I guess I don’t know about that one either! Why would that be bad? Is the grinding wheel made of flint or something? Wait, why would it be made out of rock, you’d get bits of rock in the flour… unless they filter it-?
Dust loves to explode. Look up “dust explosion” on Wikipedia. For flour dust specifically, look up the “Great Mill Disaster” of 1878. Sugar is also pretty bad, look up the 2008 Imperial Sugar refinery explosion.
Basically, just about anything that’s finely powdered becomes explosive. Being powdered increases the surface area that’s in contact with the air, allowing basically every part of the material to oxidize simultaneously, instead of burning from the outside in like normal. Light powders can also drift on the air when disturbed, instead of just falling straight to the floor like heavier objects, further increasing oxygen availability.
It doesn’t really matter much what the powder is. Anything that’s even slightly flammable becomes that much more dangerous when powdered. However, flour is one of the more common types of powder for people to collect in large quantities, and also something so ordinary that people don’t expect it to explode. Sawdust is another common offender. Like… it’s not even supposed to do anything! It’s a waste product! So people just ignore it until enough collects in one place that it becomes an explosion hazard.
Of course, strictly speaking, flour isn’t dangerous. It’s the mixture of flour and air that’s dangerous. Isn’t it amazing how dangerous air can be? And yet, we need it to live.
Dust exploding level is what I should have said, sorry. Grain dusts is normally what you hear about due to mill grinding, but other forms of dust can too, including metalic dusts.
There was also: “On 27 June 2015, a dust fire occurred at Formosa Fun Coast, a water park in Bali, New Taipei City, Taiwan. Staff of an outdoor “color powder party” sprayed clouds of corn starch towards the participants, which ignited. The fire lasted 40 seconds and burned 508 people, killing 15 and leaving 199 in critical condition.” From wiki. Note: “Initially, only patches of airborne corn starch caught fire and extinguished almost instantly, but the staff sprayed carbon-dioxide fire extinguishers towards the participants, which, compounded by the running of the participants, dispersed the airborne corn starch into multiple dust clouds, responsible for most of the burning.” So it sort of sounds like how they reacted to it was like pouring water on a grease fire (something the Sarnothi should probably also learn about if they don’t already know).
Yep, a surprising amount of things are flammable in powder form. I remember Mythbusters doing a bit about coffee creamer; and inevitably “taking it to 11” as they were wont to do. Even some metals, like aluminum, can be flammable in powder form.
I’m now about to wonder if the echoes are gonna start asking why their benefactors here isn’t in the least but shocked or surprised by burn damage to his property from magic fish lasers.
I doubt they have even seen humans who were not already used to echo stuff. On the contrary, I think they might be shocked to learn most humans don’t know about it.
You can have accidents even when things are under control during training, especially if the area isn’t quite appropriate for the training. I don’t know of anyone who doesn’t make a mistake during practice, which is why people practice. If anything, I think that it just proves the point that everyone does really need a safe spot to practice echo abilities.
Also, I can’t remember if they already know about the accidental hair burning, but if they don’t I think that they should. Possible sources of accidents are very important to know about, especially since they have other echoes.
On a different vein, anyone expecting kids to be “under control” 100% of the time is deluding themselves. Kids experiment, push the boundaries and make mistakes. It is how they learn.
“The prefrontal cortex, which is responsible for recognizing consequences, planning, and controlling impulses, is one of the last parts of the brain to develop. It typically finishes developing in the mid-to-late 20s. During adolescence, teens often rely more on the amygdala, which is associated with emotions and impulses, rather than the prefrontal cortex, leading to more impulsive behavior and less consideration of consequences.”
Anyone expecting people younger than 25 (at least) to not be impulsive, especially with cool powers, is fighting against biology. I would sort of expect this government group to be familiar with psy-ops and there such simple things as when someone’s brain is developed to recognize consequences. It may be frustrating and annoying to them, since the kids are the ones with the big super secret that should be kept hidden, but it is what it is. I am surprised that they haven’t offered Todd and Andi jobs and then moved them and the kids to a more rural area to help prevent exposure. The problem is with drones and cellphones nowadays, it is hard to keep anything secret. It would be better to hide the actual secret under a bombardment of misinformation and conspiracy theories (aka information overload) so that it gets lost in the mix than try to rely only on completely hiding it.
That’s not actually true. What the study in question showed is that the brain continues to develop at least through age 25. Why 25, specifically? That was the cutoff age for the study in question. From what I understand, newer research is indicating that the brain NEVER “finishes” developing.
This doesn’t mean that younger people can’t make good decisions or aren’t “mature” enough to make decisions about themselves.
At least it wasn’t setting a spark off in a flour mill level. There isn’t much to recover from that level.
Speaking of which, that might be a very good idea to teach any of the Echoes about that don’t already know. I doubt that they had to worry too much about similar issues underwater. I would rather that they didn’t find out the hard way about explosion possibilities.
Spark in a flour mill–? I guess I don’t know about that one either! Why would that be bad? Is the grinding wheel made of flint or something? Wait, why would it be made out of rock, you’d get bits of rock in the flour… unless they filter it-?
Flour, when well-mixed with air, makes a very good explosive.
Dust loves to explode. Look up “dust explosion” on Wikipedia. For flour dust specifically, look up the “Great Mill Disaster” of 1878. Sugar is also pretty bad, look up the 2008 Imperial Sugar refinery explosion.
Here is a shovel full of flour being thrown onto a fire. Large explosion.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=E_UcktErOy0&pp=ygUKYnVybiBmbG91cg%3D%3D
Basically, just about anything that’s finely powdered becomes explosive. Being powdered increases the surface area that’s in contact with the air, allowing basically every part of the material to oxidize simultaneously, instead of burning from the outside in like normal. Light powders can also drift on the air when disturbed, instead of just falling straight to the floor like heavier objects, further increasing oxygen availability.
It doesn’t really matter much what the powder is. Anything that’s even slightly flammable becomes that much more dangerous when powdered. However, flour is one of the more common types of powder for people to collect in large quantities, and also something so ordinary that people don’t expect it to explode. Sawdust is another common offender. Like… it’s not even supposed to do anything! It’s a waste product! So people just ignore it until enough collects in one place that it becomes an explosion hazard.
Of course, strictly speaking, flour isn’t dangerous. It’s the mixture of flour and air that’s dangerous. Isn’t it amazing how dangerous air can be? And yet, we need it to live.
Grain dust is just as bad.
Dust exploding level is what I should have said, sorry. Grain dusts is normally what you hear about due to mill grinding, but other forms of dust can too, including metalic dusts.
There was also: “On 27 June 2015, a dust fire occurred at Formosa Fun Coast, a water park in Bali, New Taipei City, Taiwan. Staff of an outdoor “color powder party” sprayed clouds of corn starch towards the participants, which ignited. The fire lasted 40 seconds and burned 508 people, killing 15 and leaving 199 in critical condition.” From wiki. Note: “Initially, only patches of airborne corn starch caught fire and extinguished almost instantly, but the staff sprayed carbon-dioxide fire extinguishers towards the participants, which, compounded by the running of the participants, dispersed the airborne corn starch into multiple dust clouds, responsible for most of the burning.” So it sort of sounds like how they reacted to it was like pouring water on a grease fire (something the Sarnothi should probably also learn about if they don’t already know).
Yep, a surprising amount of things are flammable in powder form. I remember Mythbusters doing a bit about coffee creamer; and inevitably “taking it to 11” as they were wont to do. Even some metals, like aluminum, can be flammable in powder form.
Just generally, they should be made aware of the fact that things can catch fire.
Heck, I wonder how many of them even understand what (non-echo) fire is.
I’m now about to wonder if the echoes are gonna start asking why their benefactors here isn’t in the least but shocked or surprised by burn damage to his property from magic fish lasers.
This is where the fun begins.
I doubt they have even seen humans who were not already used to echo stuff. On the contrary, I think they might be shocked to learn most humans don’t know about it.
Theo, don’t tell the Feds that the girls are not under control. They’re in your business enough already. You don’t want Then to be slinking around.
You can have accidents even when things are under control during training, especially if the area isn’t quite appropriate for the training. I don’t know of anyone who doesn’t make a mistake during practice, which is why people practice. If anything, I think that it just proves the point that everyone does really need a safe spot to practice echo abilities.
Also, I can’t remember if they already know about the accidental hair burning, but if they don’t I think that they should. Possible sources of accidents are very important to know about, especially since they have other echoes.
On a different vein, anyone expecting kids to be “under control” 100% of the time is deluding themselves. Kids experiment, push the boundaries and make mistakes. It is how they learn.
“The prefrontal cortex, which is responsible for recognizing consequences, planning, and controlling impulses, is one of the last parts of the brain to develop. It typically finishes developing in the mid-to-late 20s. During adolescence, teens often rely more on the amygdala, which is associated with emotions and impulses, rather than the prefrontal cortex, leading to more impulsive behavior and less consideration of consequences.”
Anyone expecting people younger than 25 (at least) to not be impulsive, especially with cool powers, is fighting against biology. I would sort of expect this government group to be familiar with psy-ops and there such simple things as when someone’s brain is developed to recognize consequences. It may be frustrating and annoying to them, since the kids are the ones with the big super secret that should be kept hidden, but it is what it is. I am surprised that they haven’t offered Todd and Andi jobs and then moved them and the kids to a more rural area to help prevent exposure. The problem is with drones and cellphones nowadays, it is hard to keep anything secret. It would be better to hide the actual secret under a bombardment of misinformation and conspiracy theories (aka information overload) so that it gets lost in the mix than try to rely only on completely hiding it.
That’s not actually true. What the study in question showed is that the brain continues to develop at least through age 25. Why 25, specifically? That was the cutoff age for the study in question. From what I understand, newer research is indicating that the brain NEVER “finishes” developing.
This doesn’t mean that younger people can’t make good decisions or aren’t “mature” enough to make decisions about themselves.