Yes cadaver studies is still a big part of medical study. Its an important part for a lot of reasons. One big thing is seeing how the students react to legitimate human bits. You would be surprised how many can work on animals and hyper advance practice dummy’s but the second they are on a real human cadaver, well they hit the floor.
Weird thought, but condoms could have been a possibility given their elasticity. I’ve seen videos of people stretching them around their heads (insert Mythbusters don’t try this at home disclaimerl, they would fit well over a Sarnothi’s hand for a surgical glove.
Granted though they wouldn’t be as sterile as a surgical glove, and it wouldn’t solve the problem of dexterity with various medical instruments. Thus why it was a weird thought to begin with.
Heh… when I was in college, the building next to the art school was the state mortuary school. They conducted human anatomy classes there for the pre-med classes as well. One of the ways an enterprising art student could make a bit of extra cash was to illustrate their lab books. Didn’t do it myself but my uncle (only two years older so I went thru high school and college with him) got paid for doing a detailed arm dissection.
My university had it for undergrad. Also, the cadavers are dead and embalmed so we frequently went in without gloves to deflense the fragile minor nerves. You would just wash your hands afterwards but the smell takes FOREVER to come out.
You know, this is actually a good point to bring up. Itâs something Iâve only been noticing recently, but this sort of thing does happen. My blind roommate has had people (illegally) refuse her service due to her having a guide dog, and my sister with protanopia regularly has problems seeing critical information because people put it on something that wasnât made with color blindness in mind. And thatâs not getting into the plethora of mental disabilities my wife and I have. There are ways to adapt to the world around us, but imagine having to surgically alter your body to adapt and do the job youâre most passionate about? One could simply argue that you should pick another job to do, but thatâs not really a viable option in some instances. Heck, imagine having to do that for everyday living, when you donât even need to in the first place just to have a happy, healthy life?
Iâm sure this has been said before, but reading this had that lightbulb moment for me. Iâm curious to see where this will go, especially in the future. Considering we see it so much in present-day life, itâs bound to happen.
The idea is to seek out solutions that work for people of varying needs. It’s called universal design. Making something work for someone in a wheelchair, for example, doesn’t mean that it wouldn’t work for people not in wheelchairs.
Thatâs AN option, though not a very compassionate one.
Also itâs not exactly polite to refer to people as abberant.
While, yes, there is a point where you canât accomodate everyone for everything, itâs also often true that you can actually accommodate many additional people with not much effort. Consider color blindness for example, it doesnât actually take much effort to use colors that are designed to work well for people with varying degrees of color vision. Or people in wheel chairs or of short stature. Adding buttons for elevators at a lower height is a minimal investment with wide functional benefits.
So while not all accommodations are practical, it doesnât hurt to make people more aware of their assumptions and how they impact others. It also doesnât take much effort to at least consider them.
Everyone is concerned about the webs, but what about the claws? Even if he had himself surgically dewebbed, I don’t see how he could put rubber gloves on.
Stick cotton-puffs in the tips, maybe? (It’s, ah, how people with long fingernails are supposed to glove up when practicing safety in intimate relations, or so I’ve heard. Also keeps from scratching up one’s partner.)
Scratching one’s partner “always” leads to rude questions the next morning, in my experience. I would think for Dog style claws, cotton balls would work. For Cat and Lizard like claws, I would think that cutting up a rubber eraser would be needed. They’re SO much more pointed ( for holding prey) than the more blunt Dogs’ claws ((which are for digging??). maybe?). Dunno.
Yes, gross anatomy studies still involve dissection of real cadavers. My husband recently took a continuing education course on head and neck pain that involved a fresh, un-embalmed head, the better to simulate surgery on a live person. The tissue reacts differently, ask anyone whoâs worked in both. And an unprocessed human head is more expensive, because itâs more perishable. I worked in CE myself for years, and often had to put in orders for âa half-dozen human heads, split sagitally,â or a batch of pig jaws (for laser period surgery practice,) or…
Um, but I digress. Gloves. Hell yeah, gloves.
Go to a theatrical makeup supply store, or just go to the theater department at the school and buy two pints of liquid latex. Dip hands 3 or 4 times right before class, letting it dry between dips. Add another dip as necessary during class if it wears thin. Peel off and discard after class.
No sweat.
Yeah, it’s kinda weird that the solution to this problem was “surgically mutilate the doctor” rather than “find a different way to establish the safety level of the gloves.”
Or maybe he or his wife did it with their Green-Beam TechnologyÂŽâ˘. Not available in stores, you can only get it through this website! Order today! And if you order today you can have this lovely set of Snake Knives. Only eleventy thousand dollars delivered to me in a brown paper bag by a brown shoed square in the dead of night; once a week, twice a week and never on Sunday. That’s me: Ralf SpoilSport, here in the city of West Gamora.
That’s creative, but would it actually be sterile? I have a feeling safety glove latex is possibly different or at least gets approved over stage liquid latex. He’d probably get a pass to play with dead bodies, but not so much with living patients who could potentially sue for some kind of contamination/infection (and are probably all the more likely to do it given he isn’t a human).
Wait, since they have claws, wouldn’t those go straight through latex gloves? I guess maybe he keeps them filed down? If so, why wouldn’t that show in the cartoons?
claws are basically finger nails. it should be possible to have them sanded down to rounded tips easily enough.
would really just depend on if the current sarnothi actually view the claws as important or not. its not like they seem to actually use them in day to day life.
for that matter, are the sarnothi claws retractable? and to what degree if they are? not sure if that ever been asked. but quite a few predator animals have claws that can be drawn inside the “toes” when not actively in use.
Sarnothi claws tend to be represented by a more severe tapering of their fingers when drawn compared to the human’s. They only get visible enough to stand out in close-ups.
I did cadaver studies when I went through massage therapy training. The first day I couldnât handle it. The smell isnât what got to me, it was that these were once PEOPLE. And now that SPARK was gone. It was troubling, wondering what these people would think of me poking around their innards. But I had to do it. So the second day I put on the coat, grabbed some gloves and purposely went to the cadaver at the back that had the brainpan removed. And before I lost my nerve, I picked up the brain. Knowing that anxiety was going to quickly get the better of me, I said out loud…
âAbby someone.â
A fellow student looked at me in confusion and, I kid you not, actually said, âAbby who?â To which I replied…
âAbby Normal. Iâm almost certain thatâs the name.â They looked at me in complete confusion and just walked away. But after that it was much easier to get through the class, especially when a classmate and me started discussing zombie viruses…
That’s how I handled the fetal pig dissection in high school. It started with “I’m not dead yet!” And fortunately my bio teacher flawlessly picked up the other half of the routine, to the bafflement of many other students…
Man… I’m a home healthcare nurse, who puts gloves like that on several times a day. How the hell did *I* draw a blank on why Pohl might need to have his hands un-webbed?
I have enough trouble pulling them on if my recently washed hands aren’t quite dry yet!
Am I the only one who’s glad Pohl didn’t mutilate himself at a government command, or to fit in due to being only a social outcast? This is more than what I figured his flashback would reveal: a kid/adult feeling very lost and trying to fit in so he alters himself. This is completely unexpected! Altering oneself to try and get the most out of job training! I personally see this as no worse than tattooing your entire body. Can’t necessarily be undone and your society may not like it but it was a choice.
No, I agree fully. By choice, and for a practical reason, to both further his own life and career, and also to help others. Hard to imagine a better reason.
Also really puts in perspective the twits who put safety pins through their eyebrows in protest because daddy won’t let them smoke weed in his house, doesn’t it? >.>
Yes cadaver studies is still a big part of medical study. Its an important part for a lot of reasons. One big thing is seeing how the students react to legitimate human bits. You would be surprised how many can work on animals and hyper advance practice dummy’s but the second they are on a real human cadaver, well they hit the floor.
“They hit the floor…” Much like in Dracula Dead And Loving It: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ZOUd5K0sLU
You got the reference! I am so happy!
XD My mind went right to this scene when I saw the last panel. Gotta love growing up in a Mel Brooks house!
They hit the floor, or the contents of their stomach hit the floor. Neither is encouraging for a medical career…
…aaand he needed gloves made for his anatomy đĄ
He has webbed hands the only “glove” that would fit his anatomy would be a balloon. Which wouldn’t actually work given how elastic they are.
Weird thought, but condoms could have been a possibility given their elasticity. I’ve seen videos of people stretching them around their heads (insert Mythbusters don’t try this at home disclaimerl, they would fit well over a Sarnothi’s hand for a surgical glove.
Granted though they wouldn’t be as sterile as a surgical glove, and it wouldn’t solve the problem of dexterity with various medical instruments. Thus why it was a weird thought to begin with.
Those are called “mittens”.
Guy in the last panel looks like he’s about to repaint the area.
Vomiting into the cavity will probably cost him marks.
(Chuckles) John Saxon’s character in Battle Beyond the Stars!
Er… some of you were born then, right?
Awesome movie!!.. even for how cheesy the FX were compared to bigger budget movies of the same era… even as compared to now as well..
I still don’t know how they got away with that ship design. đ
(Ahem) Organic, isn’t it?
Heh… when I was in college, the building next to the art school was the state mortuary school. They conducted human anatomy classes there for the pre-med classes as well. One of the ways an enterprising art student could make a bit of extra cash was to illustrate their lab books. Didn’t do it myself but my uncle (only two years older so I went thru high school and college with him) got paid for doing a detailed arm dissection.
Surprising how often you have to do art in biology. They really should require drawing classes for the major.
My university had it for undergrad. Also, the cadavers are dead and embalmed so we frequently went in without gloves to deflense the fragile minor nerves. You would just wash your hands afterwards but the smell takes FOREVER to come out.
You know, this is actually a good point to bring up. Itâs something Iâve only been noticing recently, but this sort of thing does happen. My blind roommate has had people (illegally) refuse her service due to her having a guide dog, and my sister with protanopia regularly has problems seeing critical information because people put it on something that wasnât made with color blindness in mind. And thatâs not getting into the plethora of mental disabilities my wife and I have. There are ways to adapt to the world around us, but imagine having to surgically alter your body to adapt and do the job youâre most passionate about? One could simply argue that you should pick another job to do, but thatâs not really a viable option in some instances. Heck, imagine having to do that for everyday living, when you donât even need to in the first place just to have a happy, healthy life?
Iâm sure this has been said before, but reading this had that lightbulb moment for me. Iâm curious to see where this will go, especially in the future. Considering we see it so much in present-day life, itâs bound to happen.
One could simply argue that it makes more sense to have one aberrant person put out than literally everyone else
The idea is to seek out solutions that work for people of varying needs. It’s called universal design. Making something work for someone in a wheelchair, for example, doesn’t mean that it wouldn’t work for people not in wheelchairs.
Thatâs AN option, though not a very compassionate one.
Also itâs not exactly polite to refer to people as abberant.
While, yes, there is a point where you canât accomodate everyone for everything, itâs also often true that you can actually accommodate many additional people with not much effort. Consider color blindness for example, it doesnât actually take much effort to use colors that are designed to work well for people with varying degrees of color vision. Or people in wheel chairs or of short stature. Adding buttons for elevators at a lower height is a minimal investment with wide functional benefits.
So while not all accommodations are practical, it doesnât hurt to make people more aware of their assumptions and how they impact others. It also doesnât take much effort to at least consider them.
Everyone is concerned about the webs, but what about the claws? Even if he had himself surgically dewebbed, I don’t see how he could put rubber gloves on.
If the rubber were heavy enough, sure, but then you loose dexterity and “feel”. I Feel it wouldn’t work out, … I’ll just go out, now.
Stick cotton-puffs in the tips, maybe? (It’s, ah, how people with long fingernails are supposed to glove up when practicing safety in intimate relations, or so I’ve heard. Also keeps from scratching up one’s partner.)
Scratching one’s partner “always” leads to rude questions the next morning, in my experience. I would think for Dog style claws, cotton balls would work. For Cat and Lizard like claws, I would think that cutting up a rubber eraser would be needed. They’re SO much more pointed ( for holding prey) than the more blunt Dogs’ claws ((which are for digging??). maybe?). Dunno.
Dogs make burrows, so that sounds right.
You could go with a couple options there. Grind down the tips so they arenât so sharp, or make rubber claw covers for example.
Meant to come in here earlier but it fell out of my head over the work day.
Pohl just uses nail clippers and a file to keep his claw tips blunted.
Yes, gross anatomy studies still involve dissection of real cadavers. My husband recently took a continuing education course on head and neck pain that involved a fresh, un-embalmed head, the better to simulate surgery on a live person. The tissue reacts differently, ask anyone whoâs worked in both. And an unprocessed human head is more expensive, because itâs more perishable. I worked in CE myself for years, and often had to put in orders for âa half-dozen human heads, split sagitally,â or a batch of pig jaws (for laser period surgery practice,) or…
Um, but I digress. Gloves. Hell yeah, gloves.
Go to a theatrical makeup supply store, or just go to the theater department at the school and buy two pints of liquid latex. Dip hands 3 or 4 times right before class, letting it dry between dips. Add another dip as necessary during class if it wears thin. Peel off and discard after class.
No sweat.
Yeah, it’s kinda weird that the solution to this problem was “surgically mutilate the doctor” rather than “find a different way to establish the safety level of the gloves.”
I’ve got a feeling he did it himself, in which case, he most likely wasn’t aware of potential alternative solutions.
Or maybe he or his wife did it with their Green-Beam TechnologyÂŽâ˘. Not available in stores, you can only get it through this website! Order today! And if you order today you can have this lovely set of Snake Knives. Only eleventy thousand dollars delivered to me in a brown paper bag by a brown shoed square in the dead of night; once a week, twice a week and never on Sunday. That’s me: Ralf SpoilSport, here in the city of West Gamora.
That’s creative, but would it actually be sterile? I have a feeling safety glove latex is possibly different or at least gets approved over stage liquid latex. He’d probably get a pass to play with dead bodies, but not so much with living patients who could potentially sue for some kind of contamination/infection (and are probably all the more likely to do it given he isn’t a human).
why does the blonde in the last panel look vaguely familiar?
Might be Heather’s mom, but I’m not sure. I don’t remember what she does.
Because sometimes my character designs lack effective diversity. She’s just a background filler, nobody we’ve seen before.
Wait, since they have claws, wouldn’t those go straight through latex gloves? I guess maybe he keeps them filed down? If so, why wouldn’t that show in the cartoons?
claws are basically finger nails. it should be possible to have them sanded down to rounded tips easily enough.
would really just depend on if the current sarnothi actually view the claws as important or not. its not like they seem to actually use them in day to day life.
for that matter, are the sarnothi claws retractable? and to what degree if they are? not sure if that ever been asked. but quite a few predator animals have claws that can be drawn inside the “toes” when not actively in use.
Sarnothi claws tend to be represented by a more severe tapering of their fingers when drawn compared to the human’s. They only get visible enough to stand out in close-ups.
I did cadaver studies when I went through massage therapy training. The first day I couldnât handle it. The smell isnât what got to me, it was that these were once PEOPLE. And now that SPARK was gone. It was troubling, wondering what these people would think of me poking around their innards. But I had to do it. So the second day I put on the coat, grabbed some gloves and purposely went to the cadaver at the back that had the brainpan removed. And before I lost my nerve, I picked up the brain. Knowing that anxiety was going to quickly get the better of me, I said out loud…
âAbby someone.â
A fellow student looked at me in confusion and, I kid you not, actually said, âAbby who?â To which I replied…
âAbby Normal. Iâm almost certain thatâs the name.â They looked at me in complete confusion and just walked away. But after that it was much easier to get through the class, especially when a classmate and me started discussing zombie viruses…
That’s how I handled the fetal pig dissection in high school. It started with “I’m not dead yet!” And fortunately my bio teacher flawlessly picked up the other half of the routine, to the bafflement of many other students…
The phrase I came up with in Human Gross Anatomy was “It’s not the meat, it’s the morbidity”.
Man… I’m a home healthcare nurse, who puts gloves like that on several times a day. How the hell did *I* draw a blank on why Pohl might need to have his hands un-webbed?
I have enough trouble pulling them on if my recently washed hands aren’t quite dry yet!
There’s a forehead-smacking moment! >.>
Am I the only one who’s glad Pohl didn’t mutilate himself at a government command, or to fit in due to being only a social outcast? This is more than what I figured his flashback would reveal: a kid/adult feeling very lost and trying to fit in so he alters himself. This is completely unexpected! Altering oneself to try and get the most out of job training! I personally see this as no worse than tattooing your entire body. Can’t necessarily be undone and your society may not like it but it was a choice.
No, I agree fully. By choice, and for a practical reason, to both further his own life and career, and also to help others. Hard to imagine a better reason.
Also really puts in perspective the twits who put safety pins through their eyebrows in protest because daddy won’t let them smoke weed in his house, doesn’t it? >.>